The internet is slipping out of our reach • Hacker News Board

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

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Post by renegat0x0 » Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 7:06 AM UTC

xtracto wrote: post #82

renegat0x0 wrote: post #25

Google will not be interested in fixing search. It also may not be possibile because of ai spam. They would like to invest in deep mind/bard/gemini than to fix technology that will be obsolete in a few years. I have started scanning domains to see how many different places there are in the internet. Spoiler: Not many. We could try to create curated open databases for links, forums, places, and links, but in ai era it…

It's funny that you end your comment with a link to github. The centralized website that has been swallowing open source code. Other than that, I agree with your message.

Decision was tough. I wanted to publish somewhere reliable. I did not want to direct people to my unknown page. I will publish data on it also though

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

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Post by injuly » Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 8:39 AM UTC

yetanother12345 wrote: post #127

tiborsaas wrote: post #45

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Why are you not using an adblocker if your current experience bothers you?

I think a better question is: Why do you insist on using Google? There are several search engines on the WWW. Google is just one, and I hear people complaining about that one a lot. I don't use it personally, and I haven't done so for more than a decade. Life goes on perfectly fine without it. (no, I don't use Kagi or Marginalia either, it's not one of those posts.)

No search engine is immune to LLM generated mumbo jumbo. Google makes an exceptional example at being a terrible search eninge despite majority market share, but as AI continues to pollute the internet, all search engines will deteriorate.

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

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Post by vouaobrasil » Wed, Mar 13, 2024, 10:14 AM UTC

executesorder66 wrote: post #121

vouaobrasil wrote: post #92

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Are you aware that I am not talking about my personal well-being, but the well being of society? I've never had a Facebook, and in fact I visit maybe 3-4 internet sites. I don't engage much personally as I think most of what is on the internet is garbage. What I mean to imply is that large corporate internet activities are detrimental to society . If all I cared about was myself then I would not even be typing now at…

The same applies to everyone else. Nothing was stopping them from using the crap bits of the internet, yet they did it anyway because that's what they chose to do. The same applies to literally anything: food, exercise, etc. people choose the worse option because that's what they prefer. If you take that option away from them, then they will choose some other, similarly crappy option. The problem is not that people h…

That's rather defeatist, isn't it? People choose things in the way you describe because they are playing the prisoner's dilemma.

Actually, taking away people's choice does help: that's called government regulation. You can't open a factory and dump mercury waste in the water in the U.S. because there is regulation. And regulation has existed in much stronger forms in the past in various guises, such as with native societies and the Amish.

So yes, taking away choice helps. We need to take away the choice to pollute, to use AI, and to form large corporations. It will help and make everyone's lives better.

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY » Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 1:06 AM UTC

TimeBearingDown wrote: post #130

PH95VuimJjqBqy wrote: post #96

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What are you talking about, X just works. I haven't had to go diving in and manually configure X in _years_ and I remember when you had to tell X to treat your mouse wheel as an extra button just to get it to work. And I say this as someone who uses exclusively nvidia GPUs. The most I have to do is set the monitor layout and KDE/gnome work exactly like windows with a graphical UI. I get it. You prefer wayland, as do…

The parent post never brought up Wayland, and it’s off-topic, but the security of having input only going to specific apps and not every X client is a massive win and one reason I’ve used sway since 2018.

I took it as a joke (I hope).

Re: The internet is slipping out of our reach

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Post by foul » Thu, Mar 14, 2024, 9:41 AM UTC

squigz wrote: post #74

foul wrote: post #50

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>You know that HTTP, HTML etc. is open and interoperable? W3 at its core is very simple. This simpleness gives large gaps of freedom in what two parties have to do for exchanging data, e.g. 27 years have passed between the birth of W3C and Webauthn. >Or that there's no end of open protocols for interoperability? There is a multitude of reasons why you have marvellous designs on websites but you can't name a mass-mark…

What is the why?

Data in W3 is designed as poorly as FTP, relies on third-party for consistence and transfer. And we used it a lot for bullshit content we thought we paid upfront (by buying hardware and access to a network).

W3 will always be the perfect medium for an ad publisher (given the role of publishers in a capitalist nation) who may or may not give away for free a platform for evaluation and a delivery network.