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Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by ta1243 »

progbits wrote: post #20
Tor3 wrote: post #5

What I don't get is why people are not using seatbelts. The only time I'm not using it is when I'm on the way to and from the bathroom. If I'm seated I'm using the seatbelt.

> What I don't get is why people are not using seatbelts. The terrible UX doesn't help. There is a seatbelt icon on the sign, they announce it as "fasten seatbelt sign", which makes it sound like when it is off you don't have to have it fastened. But it really should be "remain seated" sign. Also some people don't wear seatbelts in cars as some idiotic macho thing. I assume there is no helping those.

There are also cases when you should not be wearing a seatbelt -- if you have just got on a plane and it's still being refilled the seatbelt sign is off and sometimes the crew will tell you not to put your seatbelt on while it's being refilled.

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by odiroot »

koolba wrote: post #10
Tor3 wrote: post #5

What I don't get is why people are not using seatbelts. The only time I'm not using it is when I'm on the way to and from the bathroom. If I'm seated I'm using the seatbelt.

After the recent incidents, I’d love to see zip line style safety lines in planes. When you get up to use the lavatory, you’d connect your carabiner to the aisle ceiling and floor lines to keep you level in case of a sudden movement.

Now imagine your neck catching this zipline.

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by leoedin »

ceejayoz wrote: post #82
mschuster91 wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've, technically, eaten food that was at zero gravity once for a short period of time.

Free-fall isn't zero-gravity, and anyone who observes the five-second rule has had a similar experience.

But by that argument neither is floating around in the ISS - you're still being accelerated by gravity, you're just in the fortunate position that you have enough velocity not to hit the earth.

If the colloquial term "zero gravity" applies to someone in the ISS, then it also applies to someone in a suddenly dropping aircraft.

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by rsynnott »

ztetranz wrote: post #22
infecto wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Latam is Chilean. I am not as well traveled in all SA countries but the exposure I have had suggested that seatbelts in cars are fairly optional still, I suspect on a plane you have less incentive.

They're optional for adults in cars here in New Hampshire where the official state motto is "Live free or die".

Or, y'know, both, in this case.

(Huh; I had no idea there was anywhere left in the developed world where they weren't mandatory.)

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by rsynnott »

enlyth wrote: post #74
lm28469 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably the same reason people don't use seatbelts in buses, I'm very often the only one wearing a seatbelt when I travel by bus I've seen aftermath videos and photos, I'm not taking my chances

Interesting, I've never seen a bus with seat belts

As a general rule, buses that go on motorways (ie intercity, mostly) tend to have them; others usually don't.

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by rsynnott »

ztetranz wrote: post #67
AlexandrB wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NH doesn't get enough credit for how weird it is. Between the state motto, the lack of sales or income tax, and stuff like this seatbelt rule it's like we're talking about a totally different country.

The other thing about cars in NH is that insurance is optional. I'm not sure what happens if someone legally driving in NH without liability insurance drives over the border into a neighboring state. I asked a lawyer friend once and he mumbled something about interstate commerce making it legal. I'm not how that debate would go when stopped by a cop in MA and asked to show proof of insurance.

> I'm not sure what happens if someone legally driving in NH without liability insurance

... Wait, you don't need _liability insurance_?!

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by rsynnott »

smcl wrote: post #23

Interestingly, this flight (Sydney-Santiago, via Auckland) is one of a few that many flat-earthers insist does not exist, since it contradicts a theory they have. They'd plot the paths of long-distance flights on a polar azimuthal equidistant projection of earth[0], and note that some one-stop flights look like a straight line on this projection. But those which don't look like a straight line (i.e. that suggest they…

Clearly, this incident was caused by a minor malfunction of the teleporter than conveys such planes from one side of the flat earth to the other.

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Post by lostlogin »

zerkten wrote: post #83
lostlogin wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely required on takeoff/landing?

Absolutely at takeoff, but the emphasis is often missing for the remainder of your time onboard. It's noticeable when crew add extra reminders. I've never looked for stats on these incidents involving clear air turbulence. The impression I got as a European was that this was a transatlantic and transpacific problem. It's obviously not, but those were the incidents reported on.

Trans Tasman too now.

According to the below, long haul flights get it more, due to the altitude they fly at.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clear-air_turbulence

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by InitialLastName »

RandomBacon wrote: post #63
thelastparadise wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My god could you imagine if this happened when you were in the bathroom?

They should install a gravity switch. A simply contact that uses gravity to either remain normally-open or normally-closed, and then when the opposite is true, automatically flush.

Open question: to what extent does the flush mechanism in airplane toilets rely on the presence of gravity?

Re: Latam Airlines SYD to AKL flight: 50 people treated after mid-air incident

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Post by InitialLastName »

HL33tibCe7 wrote: post #52
koolba wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the recent incidents, I’d love to see zip line style safety lines in planes. When you get up to use the lavatory, you’d connect your carabiner to the aisle ceiling and floor lines to keep you level in case of a sudden movement.

This idea wouldn’t actually solve most of the biggest problems during turbulence, which is people hitting their heads on the ceiling, and people getting hit by luggage falling out of the overhead storage. I think having a cable flying around would actually be dangerous in itself. Wouldn’t want to get it caught around your neck…

Not to mention the cables being a tripping hazard in the (far more common) ingress and egress situations.
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