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FDA clears first over-the-counter continuous glucose monitor

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Re: FDA clears first over-the-counter continuous glucose monitor

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I would recommend anyone to experiment with this. I did, and found out I was more glucose sensitive than I expected. This led me to get more broad labs done, with which I was able to find additional treatable issues that are likely the cause. If I hadn't done this, I would have found out via symptoms years later, after irreversible damage had already been done. You are your only medical advocate, no one else is going…

Can you share a little about the "additional labs" you did?

I wore a CGM for about a month. Also found that my glucose numbers were not nearly as good as I would have expected, especially considering that I'm quite active and not overweight. But it's the "what next" that I'm stuck on.

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If I'm not trained to correctly respond to the information then why should I believe that I'm going to?

You can learn?

I can learn almost anything. So, I have to put values on what it is I'm learning, so I don't waste my time. My estimation is that learning how to interpret my health data so that I can spend a lot of time gathering and then continually interpreting that health data is not going to evince any additional value in my life.

Re: FDA clears first over-the-counter continuous glucose monitor

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I would recommend anyone to experiment with this. I did, and found out I was more glucose sensitive than I expected. This led me to get more broad labs done, with which I was able to find additional treatable issues that are likely the cause. If I hadn't done this, I would have found out via symptoms years later, after irreversible damage had already been done. You are your only medical advocate, no one else is going…

I think I would recommend the opposite unless you are diabetic or pre-diabetic. Using this may make people think eating high GI food causes diabetes.

Prevention of diabetes or even of pre-diabetes is well worth the experiment. At least for folks in the US, where metabolic syndrome is hanging over the head of a huuuuuge percentage of the population.

Hiding information from people because they might misinterpret it is not a successful medical strategy, the better strategy is to educate, see if the information will be welcome, then provide the information in the context of what it means.

I wasn't technically pre-diabetic, but did have a few higher-than-expected resting glucose blood tests, and the CGM showed me that I'm actually really close to pre-diabetes.

That was the kick I needed to clean up my diet (specifically eat less), exercise 5-7 days of the week, and I'm feeling better than ever.

Anecdata, of course, but there is no single intervention that has been discovered to improve people's weight and metabolic problems in the US (except perhaps the new GLP-1 inhibitors). Adding a CGM, at least for people interested in it, can be very effective, and we should use all the tools we have to improve the population's health.

Re: FDA clears first over-the-counter continuous glucose monitor

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That’s some sage advice. People are often surprised when I tell them about the insane levels of pre-diabetes in the US: > The National Center for Chronic Disease Prevention and Health Promotion notes that approximately 96 million U.S. adults aged 18 years and older (38% of the adult population) have prediabetes, and nearly 80% of them are unaware that they have it. It’s honestly insane to continue a way of life that’…

The other insane thing is studies have shown that type 2 diabetes can be reversed by fasting. Fasting is problematic to the medical industry because it is zero cost. "Some studies found that patients were able to reverse their need for insulin therapy during therapeutic intermittent fasting protocols with supervision by their physician." https://clindiabetesendo.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/...

>Fasting is problematic to the medical industry because it is zero cost.

Is this just an American thing? Every GP I've ever seen has asked me about my diet and exercise despite me being in the healthy BMI range.

Re: FDA clears first over-the-counter continuous glucose monitor

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I dove into CGMs a little bit about a year ago, mostly just for fun. Yes, I paid money to some online prescription mill for CGMs (Abbott Freestyle Libre 3, IIRC), and then put one in my arm (the applicator is a short syringe section that has the monitor tube threaded into it, so the tube stays in your arm and your skin under the monitor remains broken) for a couple weeks. Just to see how various foods would affect my…

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Re: FDA clears first over-the-counter continuous glucose monitor

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I don't know why modern days we get so many problems wrong. A -> B, then B -> A => incorrect In a fire, we see firefighters, that doesn't mean firefighters cause fire. In diabetic patients, we see high glucose level. That doesn't mean eating high GI food causes someone to have diabetes. If we look at the Blue Zone, many people eat mostly carb. So carb/high GI food definitely doesn't cause diabetes. Devices like this…

> In a fire, we see firefighters, that doesn't mean firefighters cause fire. In diabetic patients, we see high glucose level. That doesn't mean eating high GI food causes someone to have diabetes.

This is correct but probably not in the way you think. It is not the glucose in and of itself that is the problem but the level of the hormone insulin circulating around your system that is at the root of Type II diabetes. Glucose and insulin are highly related. Insulin is released by the pancreas to help control the level glucose in our blood.

Virtually no insulin is required when metabolising fats, a small amount is required for protein and a larger amount of insulin is required when dealing with glucose dense carbohydrate based foods. The faster a carbohydrate is metabolised the greater the dose of insulin required to quell the resulting glucose rush in the blood.

What does the insulin do? As a hormone it has many functions. The presence of insulin in the blood signals to all cells to burn sugar (glucose) rather than fats (ketones) for their energy. It prompts the cells in the skeletal muscles to store up glucose in the form of glycogen for later use and it signals the liver to store excess glucose that is not immediately needed. Once the liver and muscles are full then the liver then converts any excess to triglycerides.

Where do the triglycerides go? They get stored as subcutaneous fat all over but largely in the belly (in men) and bum/upper legs (in women). What happens when subcutaneous stores are full? Then the triglycerides are shoved anywhere and everywhere. Fat is pushed into muscle cells as well as the cells in individual organs. The fat molecules present in cells in organs are particularly pernicious (visceral fat) but any cells that contain these triglycerides seems to disrupt the insulin signalling within the cell. This results in insulin resistance i.e., the ineffectiveness of insulin to signal to the cell to take up excess glucose.

When sufficient threshold of insulin resistance is reached, you will get higher blood sugar readings and a higher A1C at which point your doc will say you have prediabetes or full on type II diabetes.

Insulin is the master key variable that unlocks the type II diabetes puzzle. High blood sugar levels are just a symptom. The problem with modern day Type II diabetic care is they consider the high blood sugar as the root problem. So this is treated with meds such as metformin and eventually MORE insulin. Understanding type II diabetes as a disease of too much insulin sheds the disease in a very different light.

Anyway, you are correct, the high glucose level per se is not the cause, but high levels of insulin constantly circulating around your system is the big problem. Of course an effective way of doing that is to continuously eat foods dense in glucose and fructose that are metabolised very quickly e.g., cookies, ice-cream, orange juice etc.

> If we look at the Blue Zone, many people eat mostly carb. So carb/high GI food definitely doesn't cause diabetes

Blue Zone areas such as Okinawa, you do find people eating carb rich foods but they are also high in fibre e.g., root vegetables, sweet potatoes etc. look at books by Robert Lustig to learn more about the importance of fibre in relation to metabolism and diabetes risk.

Re: FDA clears first over-the-counter continuous glucose monitor

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The other insane thing is studies have shown that type 2 diabetes can be reversed by fasting. Fasting is problematic to the medical industry because it is zero cost. "Some studies found that patients were able to reverse their need for insulin therapy during therapeutic intermittent fasting protocols with supervision by their physician." https://clindiabetesendo.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/...

>Fasting is problematic to the medical industry because it is zero cost. Is this just an American thing? Every GP I've ever seen has asked me about my diet and exercise despite me being in the healthy BMI range.

I don't think that fasting is problematic to the medical industry in the US. And if it is, it's not because it's zero cost. Doctors love zero cost interventions. The real challenge is just the standard medical challenge: 1) educating doctors as new evidence comes in, 2) doctors educating patients, and 3) patients complying with the intervention.

Re: FDA clears first over-the-counter continuous glucose monitor

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I’m currently wearing a CGM from Lingo (https://www.hellolingo.com/) which is pretty much the easiest way I’ve found to get my hands on one without a prescription (as I’m not diabetic).

So far it’s shown me that the sluggishness after a carb-heavy meal its heavily correlated with the glucose spike and how good my organism copes with it.

Can’t wait for the day we have our own Fallout style Pip-Boys!

Re: FDA clears first over-the-counter continuous glucose monitor

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This is why it made me upset to see this Doctor on TikTok telling people unless you have Diabetes, you don't need a glucose monitor and making fun of people who had one. Where is the harm in getting data on how your own body deals with glucose?

False positives in medicine can cause unnecessary interventions that carry their own risks. Believe it or not, there is an optimum level of ignorance for maximum health.

Dumb framework for dealing with incompetence.

"I'm so incompetent that more data is going to lead to worse outcomes! So let me stick my head in the sand and not measure!"

Imagine if any other profession operated under this framework:

"Ehhh, if we inspect too hard we might make a repair on this airplane that will cause further damage, lets just not do the inspection"

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