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Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by themoonisachees »

JimDabell wrote: post #75
the_gipsy wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps technically possible, but in practice it's against apple development directives. I doubt you do this yourself, or know anyone that actually develops iOS apps from a non-mac in the real world. And you still can't share that app.

> in practice it's against apple development directives. Most professional iOS developers use these kinds of services. They are totally commonplace and not against Apple’s terms in the slightest.

MacOS TOS clearly state that if you're someone renting out access to macOS, you may only rent it for periods longer than 24h. I heavily doubt bitrise does that, as cost would be prohibitive (oh hey I wonder why that is)

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by themoonisachees »

charcircuit wrote: post #32
randomdev3 wrote: post #13

It's just nonsensical to use a device that dictates what you can install on it. Well, Androids don't come with root permissions either ( you should be able to get it easily if you want imo ) but at least you can install any app, even just create your own.

No, getting root permissions should not be possible. Having a concept of a super user which can do whatever they want is bad for security and doesn't follow the principle of least privilege. There are better ways for an OS to offer functionality than requiring such a dangerous concept to exist. The fact that desktop and server Linux distros still have a root account, have sudo, or said binaries is evidence of how far…

The entire web runs linux successfully and securely. Suggesting that Linux is insecure is mad, especially given the attack surface.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by the_gipsy »

JimDabell wrote: post #119
the_gipsy wrote: post #117

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The income is irrelevant if it's just a vessel to make profits from the services. In detriment of the user, who once could trust that they were buying a device, but now are getting locked in some subscription schemes. Apple has passed the event horizon of extracting profits now.

> The income is irrelevant if it's just a vessel to make profits from the services. It’s not though. Apple are bringing in hundreds of billions of dollars every year from hardware. That’s not a means to an end, that is the end itself .

You seem to not understand the difference between income and profit.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by themoonisachees »

coldtea wrote: post #56

Thank god for Apple's lacklustre support for PWAs. Else iOS would be like macOS, with every second app from a major vendor people need to run (for work, school, banking, etc) would be the equivalent of an Electron monstrocity. Apparently that's the dream of the author.

... Are you somehow under the impression that means companies won't go back to how it was before and simply package their website as an electron app for iOS? This is the reason PWAs were invented in the first place, to avoid every app shipping an entire browser when the user-selected one was right there, if only it presented the app like an app and not a website.

Companies aren't going to magically switch to a ios-compatible framework or language, it's cheaper to keep just web devs and hire one guy that knows how to package an electron app.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by the_gipsy »

JimDabell wrote: post #105
the_gipsy wrote: post #92

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I feel you're being disingenuous. Close to zero professional iOS developers develop on a non-mac.

There isn’t a part of Apple’s terms where they say you are only allowed to use build servers if you are a professional iOS developer. Build servers are absolutely fine.

Again disingenuous, I never said "not allowed".

Oh and up until 2019 apple was forbidding any virtualization of macOS in its EULA, there certainly were no free cloud build servers for iOS since relatively recently.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by rezonant »

JimDabell wrote: post #107
veeti wrote: post #104

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It really makes me wonder what makes people engage in such pointless semantic handwringing like this. Your comment even acknowledges the end result: support for PWA's and as a result persistent storage has been removed. Do you think that end users care that you can make some theoretical mental gymnastic argument about how there hasn't been a "policy change" when from any practical point of view there actually has bee…

It’s not pointless semantic handwringing. I was specifically responding to this: > I think removing persistent storage and the ability to add websites to the home screen makes it obvious what their strategy is. Inferring their motives from a policy change that hasn’t taken place is pointless. This would have been a reasonable thing to say: > I think removing the ability to add websites to the home screen makes it obv…

The argument is pedantic.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by Geisterde »

the_gipsy wrote: post #71
JimDabell wrote: post #62

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No, you don’t. You need a Mac, but you don’t need to buy one. You can use a free tier on a build service like Bitrise if you don’t have a Mac.

Perhaps technically possible, but in practice it's against apple development directives. I doubt you do this yourself, or know anyone that actually develops iOS apps from a non-mac in the real world. And you still can't share that app.

In practice no one cares what apples development directives are?

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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Post by Geisterde »

the_gipsy wrote: post #92
JimDabell wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in practice it's against apple development directives. Most professional iOS developers use these kinds of services. They are totally commonplace and not against Apple’s terms in the slightest.

I feel you're being disingenuous. Close to zero professional iOS developers develop on a non-mac.

The post says you can run/develop what you want and get it to work on apple. Where do "professional" developers apply?
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