Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

twitter.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–137 of 137 posts

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

#131

Post by cherrycherry98 »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #110
cherrycherry98 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Bring your whole self to work" is a joke unless you hold progressive opinions. Antifa and "resistance" stickers on laptops or backpacks are fine, as is openly wishing for the death or bodily harm of sitting politicians from the "wrong" party. Diversity groups for just about everyone except you know who. Meetings on work time openly pushing progressive agendas. God forbid you display MAGA swag or even a Gadsden. Dive…

Why would you want to display MAGA swag?

In case my point there wasn't clear, it's common for people to adorn their property with their support for a campaign, such as lawn signs, bumper stickers, or pins. Such displays are rare at work, as most people have more tact than that, but I've still seen Obama, Hillary, and Bernie campaign logos. A Trump one or "Make America Great Again" one in these environments would be a faux pas to say the least.

If we really cared about "our workforce reflecting our customers", as the mantra goes, we'd want people that empathize with those points of view. Instead there appears to be nothing but active disdain for them in this industry.

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

#132

Post by [deleted] »

not_really wrote: post #127
k8svet wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! For another tip, it goes equally ironically well at rallies for folks trying to impose governmental control over individuals' medical decisions. Turns out there's more than professionalism at stake. I'd link the Gadsden flag Wikipedia page but that might also not be professional. Also, why is it unprofessional to point out an ignorant irony that I can find countless examples of? Is it uncomfortable when I poi…

I am familiar with the flag. While it's fun to poke at people who don't know better, this sort of thing cuts both ways. For example, I could find countless examples of people who align themselves with defunding the police, yet lament at the fact that their neighborhood is now suffering from crime. Either way, your public fear of posting a Wikipedia link says a lot about you.

[deleted]

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

#133

Post by faeriechangling »

rayiner wrote: post #108
meowfly wrote: post #44

Yishan did this same sleight of hand trick with twitter before Elon bought it[1]. Then his point was that twitter doesn't have a bias, it's simply a normal moderation problem (noise-signal ratio). Now that twitter is owned by Elon, everyone can see it obviously moved right. What normies are fairly noticing in these corps is moderating not by the overton window of the normal consumer, but by the overton window of the…

> What normies are fairly noticing in these corps is moderating not by the overton window of the normal consumer, but by the overton window of the managerial class who run the business Now the question is, why is the managerial class so weird and creepy? The Gemini images didn’t come out of left field—that’s what Hollywood movies look like these days too. Random non-white people in contexts where it makes no sense, o…

>The contrived nature of it makes race seem like a big deal, instead of something irrelevant, and it’s creepy and weird.

What's weird and creepy is the discomfort with people's preferences and the imposition of their own in such a non-transparent way.

It's also clear for things to have gotten this bad they have to be repressing employees into not saying the emperor wears no clothes.

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

#134

Post by faeriechangling »

mike_hearn wrote: post #46

Loved the Asimov robotics stories as a kid. Many fond memories of Susan Calvin's investigations. Yishan Wong would like us to generalize from this event as follows: > It demonstrates quite conclusively that with all our current alignment work, that even at the level of our current LLMs, we are absolutely terrible at predicting how it’s going to execute an intended set of instructions. But this misses the mark. It doe…

>It was trivial to predict how Gemini would behave for anyone who knows anything about the modern Google culture, which is why so many adversarial examples appeared immediately, the moment people outside of Google's management chain were able to get access.

>These events aren't demonstrating that "we" are absolutely terrible at predicting how AIs will behave, they demonstrate that that some AI companies are terrible at it. But that's not because the problem is hard, it's because they don't want to be good at it.

Which is the bigger story. It isn't that Google had this bad idea. It's that their employees had the ability to know this was a racist AI, and they ultimately still let it be pushed to production. It speaks volumes about their culture.

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

#135

Post by catchnear4321 »

faeriechangling wrote: post #133
rayiner wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What normies are fairly noticing in these corps is moderating not by the overton window of the normal consumer, but by the overton window of the managerial class who run the business Now the question is, why is the managerial class so weird and creepy? The Gemini images didn’t come out of left field—that’s what Hollywood movies look like these days too. Random non-white people in contexts where it makes no sense, o…

>The contrived nature of it makes race seem like a big deal, instead of something irrelevant, and it’s creepy and weird. What's weird and creepy is the discomfort with people's preferences and the imposition of their own in such a non-transparent way. It's also clear for things to have gotten this bad they have to be repressing employees into not saying the emperor wears no clothes.

> It's also clear for things to have gotten this bad they have to be repressing employees into not saying the emperor wears no clothes.

this isn’t new, isn’t hard, and isn’t limited to the context being discussed. (nor is it ubiquitous.)

you want paycheck? you say right things and not wrong things. you be right way and not wrong way. who decides right and wrong? who gives paycheck.

Re: Yishan Wong: "Google's Gemini issue is not about woke/DEI"

#136

Post by FredPret »

cptcobalt wrote: post #67
htrp wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We've also conducted novel research on safety risks and developed red-teaming techniques to test for a range of potential harms. " https://blog.google/technology/ai/google-gemini-next-generat...

A red-team of yes-men, apparently.

*Yes-people
Post reply on HN