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Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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Post by _yb2s »

Jommi wrote: post #121
slowmovintarget wrote: post #117

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Deep breath in... Many people who suffer from ADHD actually have undiagnosed allergies. My father was told he had ADHD late in life... he had allergies. I had problems with focus and being scatterbrained... on days the tree pollen was up. Kiddo was starting to get easily distracted and unable to focus on schoolwork... It was an allergy to the hard wheat used in U.S. bread making and preservatives. You [edit: most peo…

No that's not true. ADHD is a real thing that exists. You shominimize that. Now are there other disorders/illnesses/allergies that affect concentration definition. A lot of people have deviated septum or allergies that make nasal bresthing incredibly hard without effort. Of course this has a major effect on concentration. Other examples surely exist. But please don't minimize real debilitating ADHD.

I don't think they are in any way minimizing ADHD. ADHD is diagnosed by symptoms, and has a large number of different possible underlying causes, most of which are not well understood. When ADHD is caused or worsened by an allergy, that in no way makes it not real ADHD, but can make it easier to treat, if the allergy is identified!

It's known that ADHD is highly heritable and has some specific genetic mutations weakly associated with it, but it can also be caused by traumatic brain injury, toxin exposure, some food dyes and preservatives, and allergies. It's very likely that many of the heritable genetic factors themselves have interactions with external environmental factors, and can therefore be treated with environmental manipulation, if we can understand it better.

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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Post by T_MacThrowFace »

StefanBatory wrote: post #106
equalsione wrote: post #71

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Growing up, my parents didn't have encouragement or patience in their emotional toolkit. You were expected to do everything perfectly - homework, writing a letter, any kind of planning, even sweeping the floor or washing dishes - and if you struggled in any way you were berated at length. Many decades later even mundane things can be a battle - ringing a doctor to ask for an appointment, or a provider to query a bill…

That is something I share too, I had similar experience. Faced with hard task, I ended up not even trying - penalty for failure was the same as one for not doing something.

But with the upside that it is technically unknown whether or not you actually could have pulled it off if you tried, and if every once in a while you manage to perform the impossible, that covers for 100 failures.

People who don't care about their children don't care about this, of course. You have failed them simply by being a child.

"Why didn't you just have better parents you stupid little brat, didn't anybody teach you anything you absolute dumbass lazy #%!£ moron?"

"I'm sorry, mom"

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

#133

Post by _yb2s »

LoganDark wrote: post #127
_yb2s wrote: post #118

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What spectrum means in this context is that it's a multi-dimensional problem- different levels of severity across a large number of different dimensions. Executive function is typically broken up into a large number of different functions, and people have different levels of each, so a person that functions well in one context might do poorly in another, and vice versa.

> What spectrum means in this context is that it's a multi-dimensional problem I used "spectrum" to mean that ADHD is not always severe enough to cause outright disability, but the underlying problems can still be present to a lower degree. The parent mentioned "procrastinates or can struggle with focus without having ADHD " (emphasis mine) and I wanted to point out that some of those people may also have some very m…

I don't disagree with your point, but you are misusing the term and misunderstanding what it means when it is applied to neurodevelopmental disorders like autism and ADHD.

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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Post by moritzwarhier »

Tomte wrote: post #80
moritzwarhier wrote: post #37

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Since 7 of the last 30 submissions by OP are that site and the pattern continues, I find it absolutely understandable and good-faith to become suspicious. Other users have been accusing the same https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28894120 I don't want to participate in a witch hunt here, but HN needs to stay vigilant against spam and self-promotion that exceeds the reasonable intersection with honestly showing pers…

It‘s not breaking the rules. You‘re breaking the rules. Stop harassing people!

I'm sorry, harassing OP was the least of my intentions.

So maybe I should have worded my comment differently, or not comment at all.

The reason for my comment and that I even deep linked another thread was simple, I strongly felt that this exceeds a normal amount of promotional content, especially when it comes to self-help themes.

My sincerest apologies if this came across as me unaskedly playing the moderator, or if my brief look at the previous threads appears like I was stalking OPs comment history.

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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Post by moritzwarhier »

CuriousCosmic wrote: post #95
moritzwarhier wrote: post #37

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Since 7 of the last 30 submissions by OP are that site and the pattern continues, I find it absolutely understandable and good-faith to become suspicious. Other users have been accusing the same https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28894120 I don't want to participate in a witch hunt here, but HN needs to stay vigilant against spam and self-promotion that exceeds the reasonable intersection with honestly showing pers…

I think given the OP is a regular poster and they often post content from the same domains multiple times (each with a different article, with decent amounts of time between posts, i.e. ~1/wk), they probably just follow the content on these sites and "cross post" it to HN whenever they find something particularly interesting to them. I can say personally (while I don't post on HN), when I share content in a community…

I did not elaborate on this for time reasons and because I don't want to make up unfounded accusations (astroturfing) against other users.

Just had a bad gut feeling with this particular post and content and wanted to comment on it (plus context).

Your explanation is nicer and I'll assume I was wrong here for it's better to assume good intentions.

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

#136

Post by T_MacThrowFace »

_yb2s wrote: post #131
Jommi wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No that's not true. ADHD is a real thing that exists. You shominimize that. Now are there other disorders/illnesses/allergies that affect concentration definition. A lot of people have deviated septum or allergies that make nasal bresthing incredibly hard without effort. Of course this has a major effect on concentration. Other examples surely exist. But please don't minimize real debilitating ADHD.

I don't think they are in any way minimizing ADHD. ADHD is diagnosed by symptoms, and has a large number of different possible underlying causes, most of which are not well understood. When ADHD is caused or worsened by an allergy, that in no way makes it not real ADHD, but can make it easier to treat, if the allergy is identified! It's known that ADHD is highly heritable and has some specific genetic mutations weakl…

If you ever get diagnosed as having ADHD though, then every doctor will forever pretend that they know for a 100% fact that your ADHD is caused by mutated dopamine receptors, while having done no testing of course; why would they when you have already been diagnosed

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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Post by LoganDark »

_yb2s wrote: post #133
LoganDark wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What spectrum means in this context is that it's a multi-dimensional problem I used "spectrum" to mean that ADHD is not always severe enough to cause outright disability, but the underlying problems can still be present to a lower degree. The parent mentioned "procrastinates or can struggle with focus without having ADHD " (emphasis mine) and I wanted to point out that some of those people may also have some very m…

I don't disagree with your point, but you are misusing the term and misunderstanding what it means when it is applied to neurodevelopmental disorders like autism and ADHD.

ADHD the diagnosis is a set of symptoms. These individual symptoms may be present to varying degrees in different people. The fact that it varies means that ADHD is a spectrum. That's not misuse or misunderstanding, and it agrees with your original comment. I'm simply clarifying what I meant because it's not just "everyone has different specialties". It's that specific problems that can contribute to ADHD can be present in people even if they don't have the entirety of ADHD. There is no genetic boolean that decides if one will have ADHD or not.

While, sure, everyone does have different specialties, they could also have some traces of ADHD that aren't severe enough to give them all the symptoms but still manage to hurt their performance in certain areas.

Also, I said nothing of autism. Please don't extrapolate

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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Post by T_MacThrowFace »

_yb2s wrote: post #118
LoganDark wrote: post #40

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ADHD is a spectrum, so it can have different severities. Some people simply find it more difficult to function well whereas some people find it absolutely and utterly impossible.

What spectrum means in this context is that it's a multi-dimensional problem- different levels of severity across a large number of different dimensions. Executive function is typically broken up into a large number of different functions, and people have different levels of each, so a person that functions well in one context might do poorly in another, and vice versa.

Aren't you guys talking about an academic and somewhat theoretical definition of the term "spectrum"?

In reality, it means

"But doctor, how can you attach this very serious and stigmatizing diagnosis to my child while skipping half the tests in the official criteria and fudging the numbers to reach some threshold number?"

"Oh don't worry, it's a spectrum, you see"

...

"But doctor, what you just entered into my medical records is not what I told you at all, how can you be sure you're making the correct diagnosis if you're not really listening to what I'm saying, and when you're completely misrepresenting my situation?"

"Well, it's a spectrum you see"

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

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Post by LoganDark »

T_MacThrowFace wrote: post #138
_yb2s wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What spectrum means in this context is that it's a multi-dimensional problem- different levels of severity across a large number of different dimensions. Executive function is typically broken up into a large number of different functions, and people have different levels of each, so a person that functions well in one context might do poorly in another, and vice versa.

Aren't you guys talking about an academic and somewhat theoretical definition of the term "spectrum"? In reality, it means "But doctor, how can you attach this very serious and stigmatizing diagnosis to my child while skipping half the tests in the official criteria and fudging the numbers to reach some threshold number?" "Oh don't worry, it's a spectrum, you see" ... "But doctor, what you just entered into my medica…

I'm using "spectrum" to mean that mild and severe cases of ADHD exist, as well as everything in between.

For example, ADHD controls my life and I was never diagnosed with it until I figured out the symptoms myself, because nobody could ever see me struggling with it - there is no fighting it for me. However for some others, their ADHD is trivially controllable via medicine or habit-forming.

Re: Stop postponing things by embracing the mess

#140

Post by _yb2s »

T_MacThrowFace wrote: post #136
_yb2s wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think they are in any way minimizing ADHD. ADHD is diagnosed by symptoms, and has a large number of different possible underlying causes, most of which are not well understood. When ADHD is caused or worsened by an allergy, that in no way makes it not real ADHD, but can make it easier to treat, if the allergy is identified! It's known that ADHD is highly heritable and has some specific genetic mutations weakl…

If you ever get diagnosed as having ADHD though, then every doctor will forever pretend that they know for a 100% fact that your ADHD is caused by mutated dopamine receptors, while having done no testing of course; why would they when you have already been diagnosed

That is pretty silly, and a misunderstanding of the research. All of the mutations in dopamine transport associated with ADHD are pretty weakly associated, and still very common in the non-ADHD population.
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