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No. A PWA has exactly the same storage access, code etc as a normal web page. A PWA is set apart by having a manifest, which defines how it should act as an app. It has certain extra capabilities like accepting shares and so on, but it is not radically different from a web page.
> A PWA has exactly the same storage access, code etc as a normal web page. This is not the case in Safari[1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38606328
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I love apple for the hardware, but they would be a better company if they released their iron grip over the software. One day I dream I can install Linux on iOS devices.
But why? What does an iPhone have, hardware-wise, that a Samsung or Xiaomi phone does not?
And in terms of new hardware, often Apple brings forth new features and the rest follows.
And don't get me started on macbooks, I keep going back to them as basically everything is better there (except repairability and upgradeability, which I hope EU forces them to improve as well.)
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ALL problems are human problems. Don't try and write this off with that one. I can go all day on these. Second one ... corp Android phone. App update ships own browser engine to display about box. Flaw in about box implementation allows user to hit Google. End user uses about box to exfiltrate data from device. Not possible on iOS. Same browser engine and controls. As mentioned I'm an Android user, just a better huma…
> Not possible on iOS I'm pretty sure it is possible to use a web browser on iOS.
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#134Sure this situation already exists on Mac OS but that is a much smaller user base and there are plenty of alternatives where you can go and install arbitrary software. I deal with weird stuff my parents have installed on their Macs every time I visit… so far I haven’t had to do that with their phones. If I wanted them to use a Firefox browser engine on their phone I’d get them an Android.
It's so funny that every HN post on this topic produces more and more contrived reasons for why having less choice is better, actually. Today: my parents need to be coddled like children, so you don't get to install a new browser. It's only because Apple's legal wrangling failed that Android even exists today.
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It's pretty obvious. They're not disallowing it. They are removing the integration with the home screen so that it will run in third party browsers. That limits it to the smallest common API surface which is "open link". Everything else was a luxury. I don't think you work in IT if you haven't had an infested windows, android or macOS box before. Hell I just spent the other day cleaning my father's Mac out of two VPN…
Not my intention to brag about it, but I run an R&D company and have invented and patents on quite a lot of network technologies :) The only time in my life where I had an infected devices was in the year 1993 - a boot sector virus on a floppy disk I got from someone. Luckily my wife is a nerd, too, by sister is trained and has not yet fallen for any of the social engineering tricks before. So no, I do not have to de…
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> Why Safari can’t just launch from a Home Screen bookmark even if the user has chosen another “default browser”? IIRC this is exactly what it does after the change. It now just launches the bookmark in a normal browser instead of a browser with the UI hidden.
By Safari, I meant the engine, not the app. Are there any people who actually prefer no PWAs at all over Safari-engine PWAs?
Personally I don’t care about PWAs at alls. If you want an app, build an actual app.
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#137This is a terrible argument: > You can read Apple’s announcement on being forced to comply but as you do you so, I’d like you to remember one thing: every nightmare scenario they describe for the security of users in the EU is exactly what currently happens on Macs everywhere in the world. There's 1.5 billion iPhone users vs 100 million Mac users, Apple believes that at least part of the reason for that difference is…
That's a terrible argument. The MacOS security model has not suffered as Apple asserts.
It’s also not clear that the EU requires the PWA engine to also be replaceable but I’m personally in favor of that so we’ll stipulate that’s the case as well.
The term “security model” is doing all the work here.
The EU has no requirement for the “security model” to be changed. They require the browser engine to be replaceable.
The argument that Apple’s security model is the only one that can provide security is not sufficient. Those making this argument need to also prove that the browser engine can only be secure when made by Apple.
And yet the entire history of computing, and especially the history of browsers, browser engines, and app engines in general, have consistently shown that no one company has a monopoly in being able to make secure browser engines, competitive pressure has helped security across the board, and non first party browser engine makers have often made far more secure browser engines than the first party makers.
Apple fans are obscuring the issue by shouting “security model”. The real question is why this security model is irrecoverably damaged by replacing a first party browser engine by a third party one.
And why Apple, at a time of much greater computing power, much more advanced computer science, and far more advanced in browser engine theory and technology, is unable to do what Microsoft was forced to do 2 decades ago.
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> A PWA has exactly the same storage access, code etc as a normal web page. This is not the case in Safari[1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38606328
That is saying it uses a different storage area for the same thing and you presumably end up with different service workers between web and the app. Is that a good thing? My guess is they had no other choice.
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#139Sure this situation already exists on Mac OS but that is a much smaller user base and there are plenty of alternatives where you can go and install arbitrary software. I deal with weird stuff my parents have installed on their Macs every time I visit… so far I haven’t had to do that with their phones. If I wanted them to use a Firefox browser engine on their phone I’d get them an Android.
Yeah but then they just won't chage the browser enginr and nothing will change. I don't think your parents would go out of their way to change the browser engine or am I missing something?
I suspect my dad is just clicking anything that gets in the way of his puzzle games. Not sure what gets mom.
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> Not possible on iOS I'm pretty sure it is possible to use a web browser on iOS.
The web site whitelist is global on iOS if all engines are Safari. As are any VPN tunnels. Which is the issue.