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Re: You are what you love

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Post by j4yav »

brabel wrote: post #128
SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #37

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> Before the modern age, most humans worked in agriculture. Really, really hard work, day in day out, no vacations, no sick days, you had to be there no matter the weather (except extreme events where your live would be endangered too much, probably). Btw this is simply not true. People worked less in agriculture than a 9-5. You’d only really be working hard at specific times of the year- harvesting, seeding, etc. Yo…

Well I am not sure you're even disagreeing with what I actually said: I didn't say they did the same thing every day. Just that they had to work hard day in day out. And I am pretty sure that's the case, even if what they did a lot of the time is what you call the "in-betweens". Remember that most people would've lived under a local chief which surely would find lots and lots of things for them to do, like build monu…

If we expand working in agriculture to mean everything humans do in addition to working in agriculture, then sure you might be on to something, but then we are sort of drifting away from the topic of what people do for work and whether it is rewarding. I think people are mainly disagreeing with the specific agricultural work part.

Re: You are what you love

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Post by j4yav »

brabel wrote: post #129
j4yav wrote: post #66

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That’s actually sort of a myth. If you work on a farm, there are a few very intense parts of the year, but most days are otherwise prep work and maintenance and you can actually wrap up fairly early and manage your own schedule. What sucks about farming is thin margins and how a bad crop can wipe you out. Possibly different on a factory farm that maximises production every day but that’s not really what you’re referr…

A modern farm has almost nothing in common with the farms of pre-modern history. It would've been much closer to indigenous tribes for much of history.

What does it mean for a farm to be closer to indigenous tribes?

Re: You are what you love

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Post by HPsquared »

akolbe wrote: post #115
rambambram wrote: post #27

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I worked as a garbage man to pay for the start of my software ventures. It was the best combination thinkable of sitting in a room on a chair behind a computer, being in the software clouds, typing away, and being outside, working out, having fun and getting enough sunlight. These both completely different things balanced each other out perfectly.

Nice. I think the key thing here is, or was, the mix: the two activities complementing each other. Also, perhaps, the knowledge that both were temporary and meant to lead to other, or better, things.

"Don't forget you're here forever" can be a real downer sometimes.

Re: You are what you love

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Post by penjelly »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #69
penjelly wrote: post #64

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> I'm not sure many workers building cathedrals considered it a labor of love. Particularly those cathedrals that took many generations to build youre kidding right? of course some of them were proud of their contribution.

Guess we could think of the Giza Pyramids as a counter-example. Plenty of religious monuments got built on the bones of slaves. But I wonder, factoring out the physical toil, whether future generations might look at giant technological monoliths, maybe The Internet of 2100 and say; "Those techies were unhappy slaves. they laboured in basements and cubicles. They wrote code just to eat! It was obscenely inhuman." Or m…

> Guess we could think of the Giza Pyramids as a counter-example. Plenty of religious monuments got built on the bones of slaves.

im not arguing it they died during construction. My point is that a lot of them were undoubtedly proud of the work they produced, not even all the workers on the pyramids were slaves so thats pretty telling imo. Also i am one of those "techies" and i have been involved in projects i didnt initially have passion for, and in all cases i ended up coming around because it was something i worked on daily. Thats what im saying happened with the workers in churches/pyramids, surely some of them.

Re: You are what you love

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Post by aiisjustanif »

pelasaco wrote: post #24

You are what you love, but until you don't have a family (specially kids) you don t know what love is, and its definitely not work. So I am what I love, but I'm not my work neither my job. You neither. So don't judge people based by what they demonstrate at work. Most majority of people are there for the money. Fun fact that I became a much better developer when I started to think like that. I dont slack around. I wo…

I just really don’t need kids or my job to find something I love.

Re: You are what you love

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Post by baggy_trough »

coldtea wrote: post #82
baggy_trough wrote: post #50

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Compared to what?

Compared to one that pays well and treats people humanely. It's not like that in order to suggest that something is bad there must be an existing better version. The suggestion can be about creating that better version. That of course is a general answer to your asking for a comparison, as if lack of one would refute the point. Some country first abolished child labour, even when all others still had it. Where the pe…

I would posit that these better aspect have trade offs of their own. Can you identify them?

Re: You are what you love

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Post by baggy_trough »

chefandy wrote: post #88
baggy_trough wrote: post #71

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What ones would those be?

> What ones would those be? If you really don't know, I'm not your research assistant so I won't go look up things like universal health care and the social support strategies of various European countries for you. If you're just trying to bait me into some sort of pedantic argument, I'm far past the age where I felt compelled to interact with people who think being deliberately obtuse is a valid conversation tactic.…

Many European countries have high youth unemployment and low innovation along with a typically lower standard of living than in the United States. It’s important to be aware of the downsides of leftist economic policies.

Re: You are what you love

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Post by chefandy »

baggy_trough wrote: post #137
chefandy wrote: post #88

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> What ones would those be? If you really don't know, I'm not your research assistant so I won't go look up things like universal health care and the social support strategies of various European countries for you. If you're just trying to bait me into some sort of pedantic argument, I'm far past the age where I felt compelled to interact with people who think being deliberately obtuse is a valid conversation tactic.…

Many European countries have high youth unemployment and low innovation along with a typically lower standard of living than in the United States. It’s important to be aware of the downsides of leftist economic policies.

You swiftly trounced the “these are flawless systems” assertion that I didn’t make.

Re: You are what you love

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Post by ttt11199907 »

penjelly wrote: post #134
nonrandomstring wrote: post #69

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Guess we could think of the Giza Pyramids as a counter-example. Plenty of religious monuments got built on the bones of slaves. But I wonder, factoring out the physical toil, whether future generations might look at giant technological monoliths, maybe The Internet of 2100 and say; "Those techies were unhappy slaves. they laboured in basements and cubicles. They wrote code just to eat! It was obscenely inhuman." Or m…

> Guess we could think of the Giza Pyramids as a counter-example. Plenty of religious monuments got built on the bones of slaves. im not arguing it they died during construction. My point is that a lot of them were undoubtedly proud of the work they produced, not even all the workers on the pyramids were slaves so thats pretty telling imo. Also i am one of those "techies" and i have been involved in projects i didnt…

Is this saying that slavery is justified as long as the goal is something "monumental"? As long as some slaves are "proud" of the work they're being _forced_ to do _on penalty of death_ then we can at least rest assured that their pride in humanity was boosted at the amazing spectacle of a giant pile of rocks built on behalf of an oppressor. Oof.
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