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A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Post by lupire »

plussed_reader wrote: post #78
rurp wrote: post #65

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For one, HN isn't a monolith. There are plenty of people on here who agree and disagree on each of the topics you listed. On the topic of social media, I think that there is a widespread belief that we could have tools that give us the social benefits of social media without including all of the toxic manipulative tracking and algorithmic feeds. Unfortunately the market has become dominated by a few maximally greedy…

'...doesn't have a clear solution.' So what are some tools we have available to remove the profit motive from this situation?

Taking away the profits and spending them on victims.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Post by lupire »

pxeboot wrote: post #66
theossuary wrote: post #54

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It's so strange to me that HN has this view of social media, but not other things, like fast food. Fast food uses deceptive advertising and purposefully tries to get kids addicted to their product; which slowly kills them over time. But I remember HN being against sugar taxes, and other laws to help prevent it. But for some reason social media is different? I don't see why it would be. Are the people on HN pushing fo…

> But I remember HN being against sugar taxes, and other laws to help prevent it. Aren't sugar taxes what led to the use of high fructose corn syrup, which is arguably worse than sugar?

Different tax. That's sugar cane import tariff.

Sugar taxes are consumption taxes that apply to all forms of sugar, including corn syrup.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Post by lupire »

auggierose wrote: post #107
cafard wrote: post #47

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Not so effective when they guy trying it is the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, and has demonstrated that he has quite efficient hitmen of his own.

I guess that's a first-strike-wins scenario then. As long as he doesn't visit a Saudi embassy, I would bet on Bezos.

Bezos said he married his first wife because he thought she could bust him out of a Venezuelan prison if needed. Then he divorced her and married a newsreader. So I wouldn't bet on him.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Post by lupire »

throwaway421967 wrote: post #22
gnicholas wrote: post #17

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I have wondered if generative AI will make this less of an issue. Victims won't be as afraid of images leaking out if they can plausibly claim that they're fakes.

Yeah, if fakes are already out there. What value does the real thing have?

If the solution is a stop caring about anything, the cure is worse than the disease.

Re: A South Carolina lawmaker is suing Instagram after his son died by suicide

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Post by ajma »

bandyaboot wrote: post #129
vdaea wrote: post #76

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And what exactly are they supposed to do? Monitor all private communications? At that scale you would need an AI. Once the AI sees something possibly bad, either you have a real person check it (people would complain about privacy, the mental health of those employees having to see awful things) or you have the AI ban (people would complain about lost accounts) No matter what instagram does they lose. So I think doin…

Well since I don’t have visibility into the inner workings of these companies, I can’t say what exactly they can/should do, but I also don’t accept the premise that the only thing they could do is monitor all private communications. I don’t think it’s impossible that there might be some objective heuristic that could help flag potentially abusive accounts and then put some roadblocks in place to protect minors from t…

isn't that basically what Apple did by using algorithms to scan for CSAM material. Even with the level of trust that Apple has, people weren't ok with this.
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