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Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by nomilk »

ryandrake wrote: post #124
yterdy wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are working through their grief, knowing that a utility that is essentially the modern postal service was sold to someone who is essentially the modern Hearst.

But Twitter is/was not a utility, not a “modern post office” not a “town square” (before someone tries to bring up that terrible analogy too) and really doesn’t deserve people’s grief. It’s yet another corporate-owned and controlled messaging app and we are seeing the inevitable result of that control.

> Twitter is/was not a utility

I've found no substitute for getting breaking news on a specific topic (e.g. natural disasters, war, politics, sport). Google News is second best, but the sites it indexes are at the absolute least 20 minutes behind twitter.

Zite was my favourite app from many, many years ago. But it was good at collating daily reading, not for up to the minute/second curation.

For certain topics that are time sensitive, I haven't found anything that comes close to twitter.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by tjpnz »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #114

Sadly, important content is sometimes still posted (only) in the form of Twitter threads. Short of signing up for an account, is there currently a reasonable way of reading those?

What do you mean by important? If it's something related to public safety (civil defence for instance) then it's a real issue that you as a citizen should fight. For everything else you could just stop engaging and hope that enough others do for the content creators to get the message.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by dustingetz »

cgh wrote: post #121
jjackson5324 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting because the content I get on X is far, far more valuable than HN + Reddit + Facebook combined. It’s the only place you can follow subject matter experts and get their real time thoughts. I think people on HN just don’t know how to use Twitter? If you want to use it effectively, you have to utilize lists. Curate your own lists or find someone you respect and follow their lists. If someone is posting things…

Nearly every subject matter expert I followed has left. Scientists, mathematicians, journalists, authors, comic book people, and so on. What I now see are people with demented political opinions about women and American politics. It sucks.

i follow about a thousand physicists, mathematicians and computer scientists, try searching keywords like “quantum mechanics” and then “follow all” when recommended. Really no place like twitter for math/science content

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by hexage1814 »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #81
xwowsersx wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with you that this is disappointing, but folks who use these sorts of tools tend to be a bit naive about the impact of them going away. It's a little silly, to be honest. Best numbers I could come by is X does something like 100B impressions/day and x.com saw 1.2B visits in the month of December. Will some people stop seeing X posts on Nitter? Sure, maybe. Will it matter to X? I doubt it.

It's created a reverse eternal September. The masses stay confined to one place. Other places can flourish with the old school smaller community kind of feel and quality. Let twitter live in its current state if it means other places won't be taken over by influencers and other bullshit.

Will the other places resist to VC money or other shenanigans though? That's the question...

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

nomilk wrote: post #131
ryandrake wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Twitter is/was not a utility, not a “modern post office” not a “town square” (before someone tries to bring up that terrible analogy too) and really doesn’t deserve people’s grief. It’s yet another corporate-owned and controlled messaging app and we are seeing the inevitable result of that control.

> Twitter is/was not a utility I've found no substitute for getting breaking news on a specific topic (e.g. natural disasters, war, politics, sport). Google News is second best, but the sites it indexes are at the absolute least 20 minutes behind twitter. Zite was my favourite app from many, many years ago. But it was good at collating daily reading, not for up to the minute/second curation. For certain topics that a…

Unless you are working as a journalist, or for some other reason you need to respond immediately to world events, you could just abstain.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by nomilk »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #81
xwowsersx wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with you that this is disappointing, but folks who use these sorts of tools tend to be a bit naive about the impact of them going away. It's a little silly, to be honest. Best numbers I could come by is X does something like 100B impressions/day and x.com saw 1.2B visits in the month of December. Will some people stop seeing X posts on Nitter? Sure, maybe. Will it matter to X? I doubt it.

It's created a reverse eternal September. The masses stay confined to one place. Other places can flourish with the old school smaller community kind of feel and quality. Let twitter live in its current state if it means other places won't be taken over by influencers and other bullshit.

This is nice in theory. I haven't used any twitter alternatives but others seem to report that their content is more or less the same as twitter's.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by idontpost »

ryandrake wrote: post #124
yterdy wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People are working through their grief, knowing that a utility that is essentially the modern postal service was sold to someone who is essentially the modern Hearst.

But Twitter is/was not a utility, not a “modern post office” not a “town square” (before someone tries to bring up that terrible analogy too) and really doesn’t deserve people’s grief. It’s yet another corporate-owned and controlled messaging app and we are seeing the inevitable result of that control.

> But Twitter is/was not a utility

The way twitter was used by local governments during emergencies absolutely made it equivalent to one.

Fortunately at least my area has moved away from twitter and towards SMS based notifications for that purpose.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

duxup wrote: post #65
koito17 wrote: post #7

On one hand, this is unfortunate since X always directs me to a login page, and Nitter was the only way I could view whatever gets posted nowadays. On the other hand, the cynical side of me is thankful that I have no more desirable means to see the contents of posts on X. Edit: a similar thing happened with Reddit and Teddit(?). API restrictions effectively killed alternative frontends, so I simply don't look at Redd…

I'm inclined to have the same wishes. There's a weird world of outrage about twitter ... on twitter by people who keep providing content for twitter. I don't get that. The further downside being that all the alternatives I've dipped my toes in, the content is pretty much similar to twitter and all the alternatives are offering are various back end type differences, but the same content. So personally I'm not particul…

> I don't get that.

It's the same enshittification we're always talking about now. Something you once enjoyed strategically turns to shit once it believes people are too locked in and docile to leave.

Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

#139

Post by bgfhjbv »

jjackson5324 wrote: post #94
superhumanuser wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this reply getting downvoted?

I'm guessing 1) HN readers don't like Elon Musk (I don't like him either) so they don't like Twitter 2) I implied HN readers are doing something wrong (as any other human being, they don't like being told that) 3) I (slightly) insulted the intelligence of HN readers by saying they didn't know how to use Twitter and they really don't like that I've just gotten downvotes and no one's responded with any actual rebuttals…

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Re: "If nothing changes, all remaining Nitter instances will go down eventually"

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Post by Eisenstein »

muppetman wrote: post #80
xwowsersx wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm with you that this is disappointing, but folks who use these sorts of tools tend to be a bit naive about the impact of them going away. It's a little silly, to be honest. Best numbers I could come by is X does something like 100B impressions/day and x.com saw 1.2B visits in the month of December. Will some people stop seeing X posts on Nitter? Sure, maybe. Will it matter to X? I doubt it.

Exactly. Even the reddit blackouts etc did nothing really - sure a few people left in a huff and all that jazz, but Reddit is still trucking along happily. The only time I've seen the "eff it, we're leaving!" thing actually work was with Digg v4.

I have seen a considerable degrading of quality on reddit since the blackouts. I use reddit for quality subject discussion in topics ranging from pressure cooking to circuit design but I also use it for general crappy banter and time wasting, and the people who would contribute useful content in the former have decreased in number while the latter have increased making the signal to noise much worse.

It doesn't help that they have started placing content from more obscure subreddits onto people's front pages seemingly randomly, so people wander into places and have no idea what the culture is they are contributing to and add content which is wildly out of place.

To get subject matter discussion which is reasonable I have been wandering back to bespoke forums, which isn't necessarily bad, but they still have a lot of issues. A lot of other content has moved to discord, but I won't get into how I feel about that.

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