Signs that I've seen before leaving: * There are more VPs than there are restrooms. * The free coffee and soda is no more. * Engineers are co-opted as salespeople ("... and why is the project late?").
If they can't justify a few dollars for snacks, what do you think they're gonna do about your six digit salary...
Signs that it's time to leave a company
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
People collaborate easier in person. Travel is a downside.
Except, some jobs really really don't require much if any collaboration. We've been having to come back into the office since last September. In all that time, I've only spoken to another person a single time. Literally one hour in one day in the past 5 months. All meetings are still over zoom and when I'm not in a meeting, I just find some place in the building to sit and work. Except many people still weren't comin…
What the fuck?!
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#133Definitely feeling this at another FAANG I think there’s something about post-pandemic work in software that just isn’t working. I don’t think it’s just interest rates or a hiring downturn, nor immediate causes like founders leaving (because I see this sickness at most big tech companies these days). Personally, I believe that hybrid work is not going well. Fully remote teams are good, fully onsite teams are good. Wi…
My team of 5 synchronized our hybrid schedules (same two days in the office together). We love the mix of in-person collaboration days and remote "leave me alone so I can accomplish something" days. We're a small startup in the Midwest, so I have no idea how it would scale to FAANG-level problems, but it's the best of both worlds for us.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Salary discussions can happen at any time, though. Restricting it to once per year is just delaying tactic. If you resign and they want or need you, all of sudden everything is possible
Vast majority of large, publicly traded companies (at least in the US) only do pay determination (and associated raises) once per year. Promotions can definitely happen whenever but there may be a cycle associated with that as well.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you do not get any promotion, perks or increase of benefits during that time, your not going to get any ever. SV bubble. Getting a promotion every 2.5 years is very rare in traditional engineering companies.
Yep. All this is telling me ie that there are still a bunch of sheltered HN users that are in for a rude shock when they see what it’s like to work long-term in an environment without free money keeping everything afloat. A lot of you have been living in a make-believe world.
This is concurrent with the worst housing market and biggest asset bubble anyone alive has ever seen. Even if you're pulling 90th percentile incomes, in most metro areas where those jobs are, you aren't gonna be buying a house ever. Housing is starting to take up the majority of everyone's take home pay and the rat race as it stands for the younger demographics here is building net worth, without a hyper leveraged guaranteed-line-go-up real estate asset, fast enough to outrun enough of the population so the next big disaster doesn't smash them to a paste.
Easy money means assets aren't. Regardless of how economics works, you still need food and shelter.
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#136Other signs for me personally: * Sales schedules dictate product development timelines rather than the other way around * Leadership thinks about practical operational/logistics issues only when forced to * The importance of "culture" is brought up without fail when talking about working from the office, and never at other times * Leadership is fond of setting goals and deathly allergic to providing incentives
I agree with all but the last, as I think it's debatable. > Leadership is fond of setting goals and deathly allergic to providing incentives Goals are good, in any way, as long as their portioned right. And at the level most people this is targeted to are working at, is the rather large salary supposed to be the incentive?
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#137That so many people are so focused on things "having" to be in a constant state of exponential growth makes me feel uneasy. It's like so many people can't see the forest for the trees - we can't have infinite exponential growth forever. Like, little software shops which take on a stable number of projects / contracts / clients a year, focused on sustainability instead of pure profit, lose and gain people at a roughly…
If I could be promised the stability of a trade gig such as plumbing in the software aspect you describe I'd probably want to stay in technology. The reality sadly is otherwise, almost across the board from my tiny anecdotal experience.
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#138That so many people are so focused on things "having" to be in a constant state of exponential growth makes me feel uneasy. It's like so many people can't see the forest for the trees - we can't have infinite exponential growth forever. Like, little software shops which take on a stable number of projects / contracts / clients a year, focused on sustainability instead of pure profit, lose and gain people at a roughly…
> That so many people are so focused on things "having" to be in a constant state of exponential growth makes me feel uneasy. It's like so many people can't see the forest for the trees - we can't have infinite exponential growth forever. From first hand experience, let me explain why I need this. It's because when the growth stagnates, management starts to attack their own reports. This is an effort to squeeze produ…
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they can't justify a few dollars for snacks, what do you think they're gonna do about your six digit salary...
Can't justify money for snacks but can justify executive bonuses is why we need unions.