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Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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Post by 0x457 » Tue, Jan 09, 2024, 11:04 PM UTC

RugnirViking wrote: post #113

0x457 wrote: post #71

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Welcome to PC hardware. People rarely switch camps or price tier. People who have 4070 today are the people who had 1070/2070/3070.

Can that really be true? I figure most people just stick with whatever they have then buy the best thing in their means when the old one gets too slow for their needs. I can't imagine upgrading from 1070 to 2070, in fact right now most people that I know who are considering upgrading are on the 900 series

> I can't imagine upgrading from 1070 to 2070

You're not getting what I'm saying - people stay in the same tier when they upgrade. They might do every generation, every other generation, skip every two generations, but the point is that people who have xx70 (or xx80) will buy xx70 (or xx80) from a newer generation.

10xx to 20xx upgrade made little sense to most gamers because RTX was a thing you turn on, look at pretty reflections and turn off to regain the performance. 10xx generation was a weird generation for NVIDIA and doubt they would make such a consumer friendly generation ever again.

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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Post by culopatin » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 6:15 AM UTC

samstave wrote: post #83

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #11

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This was what I came to comment. Very strange. This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-r... says "the RTX 4070 Ti Super is up to 10% faster than the non-Super 4070 Ti on average" So, on average, up to 10% faster, yeah seems pretty incremental.

Im holding out for the " the RTX 6090 Ti Super MAX XXXtreme 197Hz Mr. Manager" Ive a lot of AMd Nvidia machines - two high-end gaming machines.. the naming conventions of Nvidia cards are just odd to me and I can tell what anything actually means..

Super means more. What is xtxxtt in AMD language?

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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Post by Salgat » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 8:04 PM UTC

two_in_one wrote: post #122

Salgat wrote: post #22

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I wouldn't be shocked if the 5090 is also the only one with 24GB. Seems like NVidia is trying their hardest to suppress memory increases.

5880 with 48GB has been announced. but I suspect it will be not in consumers range, more like $3k++.

The 5880 is the same generation as the 4090 and is a workstation card (it has higher memory but lower CUDA cores available). The price is expected to be around $5-6k. What I mean by 5000 series is the non-workstation next-gen lineup.

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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Post by burntalmonds » Wed, Jan 10, 2024, 8:59 PM UTC

anonym29 wrote: post #12

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #11

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This was what I came to comment. Very strange. This article https://beebom.com/nvidia-rtx-4080-4070-ti-super-gpu-specs-r... says "the RTX 4070 Ti Super is up to 10% faster than the non-Super 4070 Ti on average" So, on average, up to 10% faster, yeah seems pretty incremental.

The big difference with the 4070 Ti Super is that it's using the AD103 chip (with a full 256-bit memory bus and 16GB of VRAM) found in the 4080, which is a huge leap over the AD104 chip found in the 4070 Ti (non-Super), which only touts a 192-bit memory bus and 12GB of VRAM. While the TFLOPS of the Super variant does only see a ~10% increase as you note, memory bandwidth jumps by 42% and the memory capacity jumps by…

It sure would be nice if Nvidia just named the new card 4075 or something. The whole 4070 vs 4070 Super vs 4070 Ti vs 4070 Ti Super naming scheme sucks.

Re: New GeForce RTX 4080 Super, RTX 4070 Ti Super, RTX 4070 Super

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Post by ziml77 » Sat, Jan 13, 2024, 8:43 PM UTC

beebeepka wrote: post #125

ziml77 wrote: post #92

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I checked a sampling of a few games there and the only one where it's not ahead by a solid margin at 2560x1440 is Far Cry 6... the game that I gave up trying to play because it would not run smoothly on my 3090 + 5900X even with the settings turned down.

I guess that site is serving completely different graphs to me and you. Or one of us sees what they want to see.

Besides Far Cry 6 and it's strange bottlenecks, these are the other games I checked:

    | Game           | 3090 FPS | 4080 FPS | Delta | % Change |
    | Cyberpunk 2077 |     83.3 |    114.6 |  31.3 |     +38% |
    | Doom Eternal   |    261.2 |    378.4 | 117.2 |     +45% |
    | Forza 5        |    108.2 |    147.3 |  39.1 |     +36% |
    | Halo Infinite  |     95.7 |    107.0 |  11.3 |     +12% |

Maybe all those years where Intel was stuck on 14nm made me forget how big leaps could be generation to generation, but to me those jumps of more than 30% are huge especially considering that while the 4080 is a gen ahead of the 3090 it's also a tier down.

Also if you look at 4K performance, the % gaps for all these games are even larger (and I'm not looking at 4K now because it's better for my point. My next monitor will be one of the 4K QD-OLEDs that were announced at CES, so those charts are now more relevant to me than the 1440p ones)