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Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Unsourced and non-specific disparagement might be the reason for the downvotes here. People like to read posts that make them feel they have a better understanding of the world rather than a particular poster's political viewpoints.

I think including either sources or specifics (e.g. a specific statement he's made or what sort of "sexism" or "racism" he indulges in) would result in less downvotes.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Wow, nearly 7 million. That’s incredible for a nonprofit CEO. Much, much large orgs have CEOs that get paid 10-15x less. This should be criminal. The taxpayers are being stolen from.

Nonprofit does not necessarily mean taxpayer subsidized.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web. I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think o…

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Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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Honestly these kinds of posts are tiresome and unhelpful. Yes, Mozilla is different now, yes the CEO makes too much money but if more people used their browser more they might invest more in it in instead of seeing it as a money sink to satisfy people who can’t be satisfied. Seriously, Mozilla cant win. A large voice of people constantly scold Mozilla for anything it does. We’ve heard from Firefox devs on how this ba…

> if more people used their browser more they might invest more in it Let me donate to support Firefox. Firefox, only. Hell, she can even skim off the top for her pay. They don’t do this because it would trash the gravy train. So Firefox is held hostage to support a litany of nonsense that lets them travel to conferences to speak about AI.

Or split it off like they did with thunderbird.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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In a previous thread (these "Mozilla is dead" threads appear perennially) someone pointed out that Firefox's apparent marketshare drop is potentially indistinguishable from their deployment of privacy-improving features, including stubbing out Google Analytics when "Enhanced Tracking Protection" is enabled. I'm a Firefox user, so I have a vested interest in Mozilla's long term health and financial viability. But "mar…

Firefox has all sorts of telemetry reporting so they know exactly how much usage the browser is getting.

Indeed, and the data is mostly public: see https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity to check monthly active user evolution.

It's going slowly down - something that is unlikely to improve unless Firefox gets better distribution channels, especially on mobile. Giving up on FirefoxOS cut them from having the "default" browser anywhere.

They are working on a gecko-based iOS browser since the UE is likely to mandate browser diversity, so maybe that will improve things a bit - though this will only make the situation on iOS on par with Android where Firefox is not doing well market share wise.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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> what did not complaining ever achieve? self-satisfaction and just being a better person

Hmm. I am willing to explore it a little further. Does one become a better person simply by staying quiet?

You could try being supportive instead. But hey, the current strategy has worked out so well thus far, please continue until the market share reaches 0.

Mitchell really seems to care about these comments. Oh wait, she probably doesn’t read HN does she? Oh, but the Firefox devs probably do. Well I’m sure they’re just as moved and powerful enough to affect the kind of change you want to see in the organization.

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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In a previous thread (these "Mozilla is dead" threads appear perennially) someone pointed out that Firefox's apparent marketshare drop is potentially indistinguishable from their deployment of privacy-improving features, including stubbing out Google Analytics when "Enhanced Tracking Protection" is enabled. I'm a Firefox user, so I have a vested interest in Mozilla's long term health and financial viability. But "mar…

I would assume that Firefox revenue is proportional to usage and revenue is only down a few percent. This implies that Firefox usage is declining much slower than people say.

I don’t understand how to read their “assets” table; but it looks like most of their revenue comes from “royalties,” which I’m sure has some specific meaning for these kinds of reports, but I’m not sure if it scales with numbers of users or not. If that’s the money they get from Google (huge guess alert, I’m probably wrong!), then I’m not sure if it would scale in the short there with the number of users; I guess they must re-negotiate their contract every couple years, right?

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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"The focus for the future of Mozilla -- according to Mozilla -- is primarily based around Artificial Intelligence services." I sense a great disturbance in the Force...

Last year it was IoT

Or blockchain, Or metaverse, Or something else utterly useless that no one wants or asked for

Re: Mozilla 2023 annual report: CEO pay skyrockets, Firefox market share nosedives

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post #93

This Mozilla "situation" comes up here from time to time, unfortunately as a long time Firefox user all I have to say is: Mitchell Baker and their clique will only leave when Mozilla is completely dead and even by that time she'll retire and will make a wonderful post about her "legacy" in opensource and the Web. I will not go further because it will turn into an all-bashing post, but Mozilla ( as you like to think o…

The article states that Mozilla is far from dying and that it’s diversifying itself away from Firefox.

Mozilla has been diversifying itself away from Firefox for 15 years. They're still pouring money into SeaMonkey and Thunderbird, on top of a range of more recent projects that have no realistic chance of ever generating serious revenue, such as Mozilla VPN.

I think there are two realistic paths for the company. One is to make the browser amazing and edgy in ways that Google and Microsoft can't match (out of the fear of cannibalizing revenue or running into regulatory trouble). Mozilla has a shot at it, but it's unlikely to happen if they have a defeatist attitude about it internally, and are focusing on non-browser pivots.

The other path is to basically turn into some completely different company, throwing money at unrelated pursuits such as AI and hoping that you get lucky. But what gives Mozilla any edge with that?

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