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Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by thaumasiotes »

tambre wrote: post #49
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

Estonia has personalidentificationcode@eesti.ee and registrycode@eesti.ee, which you are supposed to set up to forward to your actual email aadress. Unfortunately these are restricted for use by governmental agencies for important official notifications (e.g. you're being conscripted, your marital status changed, something has changed in regard to a property you own). [0] You could create a public alias of the form f…

> Unfortunately these are restricted for use by governmental agencies for important official notifications (e.g. you're being conscripted, your marital status changed, something has changed in regard to a property you own).

When your marital status changes, isn't that a notification that goes from you to the government, and not the other way around?

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Almondsetat wrote: post #77
Avamander wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outbound mail comes with heavy problems with abuse. The government can't easily filter it out either (literally "free speech").

"limited" might mean 50-100 emails per day or even less

Does anyone send 50+ personal emails a day? If it takes 5 minutes to write each one, that's over 4 hours doing nothing but composing emails!?

Maybe if you're sending party invitations or something? But that's got to be once or twice a year, surely.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by lotsofpulp »

iAMkenough wrote: post #125
lotsofpulp wrote: post #79

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Nothing? It can exist as a utility alongside other email services.

Nothing can go wrong? In that case, the government should create a public social network as a utility alongside other social media services too.

Sure, although I think the utility of a communications network capable of receiving and sending documents within a country is very well proven to be a benefit to society, so any comparison to something less battle tested seems unnecessary.

It makes no sense that in the physical world, we entrust government with identity verification and transmitting correspondence, but that trust is somehow lost in the digital world.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #63
freetanga wrote: post #39

I think that governments should offer one free email account per citizen for life. Which you could use or not, but is there for you as a digital inbox… which are the options? - Self hosting is a bit elitist - not for the masses. - A paid-for option (proton, tutta,…) would be cataloged as elitist. People perceive email as free. - A free option provided by a Corporate player will gravitate towards monopolies and lack o…

I really don't understand how people think government issues services have more privacy, when in reality it is the exact opposite. It didn't even take NSA leaks to know that government privacy violations are lot more both in terms of quantity and the impact. I would never use a government email if it is tied my real self. At least in my country I know for a fact that data which should be legally private is used by po…

Most people don't have anything to hide from the government.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by plagiarist »

lesuorac wrote: post #80
cogman10 wrote: post #76

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Remember when the US gov did that with a number? The SSN? I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems.

Yeah it was so much better keeping a book of letters from creditors that you showed to any future creditor to show trustworthy-ness. Whatever mess you think SSNs have caused by their unintended use outweighs the previous system. The simple test for that is, why do people use SSNs as it's not legally required for anything but USG interactions.

All that test confirms is that when every company requires them to do business, one can no longer accomplish anything financial without submitting an SSN to a third party. I guess one could choose to only ever be self-employed, take no loans, and use Mattress Bank.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by Amezarak »

xorcist wrote: post #110
gtirloni wrote: post #94

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How does anyone have trust in their governments to provide even basic services? Not where I live. Still, I'd prefer to try and fix it (for various levels of "fixing") than throw the baby with the bathwater. It's an imperfect system but trusting a corporation is no better.

Do you not make the distinction between government and state in your language? The government usually provide little service, but the state do. The question whether you trust it as a single entity is a bit hard to understand. Do you mean trust that my father gets his pension? Or that my kids get a good education? Or that my neighbor who is a doctor can provide decent health care? I probably trust some of those more a…

In American English, government and state (in the sense you mean it) are synonyms.

Other countries seem to think of the government as "the current ruling party coalition members holding ministerial positions", so it would be inappropriate to refer to say, the driver's license bureau as "the government", but in the US, you'd never limit the sense of government in that way - you'd say something like "the administration" if you wanted to refer to the federal head of state and department heads, but the current federal executive, the US Congress, your local driver's license bureau, your tax assessor, your state environmental agency are all "the government" in the US.

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Post by iAMkenough »

ejb999 wrote: post #115
sp332 wrote: post #106

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Poor enough that they don’t have a bank account to pay for the email service.

and yet we assume they are wealthy enough to own a mobile phone and/or computer/tablet to access that email.

Contrary to popular belief, most homeless people have cellphones.

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Post by Almondsetat »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #132
Almondsetat wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"limited" might mean 50-100 emails per day or even less

Does anyone send 50+ personal emails a day? If it takes 5 minutes to write each one, that's over 4 hours doing nothing but composing emails!? Maybe if you're sending party invitations or something? But that's got to be once or twice a year, surely.

I didn't say personal, I said between national email addresses, which might include your government services and institutions

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by grepfru_it »

plagiarist wrote: post #135
lesuorac wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah it was so much better keeping a book of letters from creditors that you showed to any future creditor to show trustworthy-ness. Whatever mess you think SSNs have caused by their unintended use outweighs the previous system. The simple test for that is, why do people use SSNs as it's not legally required for anything but USG interactions.

All that test confirms is that when every company requires them to do business, one can no longer accomplish anything financial without submitting an SSN to a third party. I guess one could choose to only ever be self-employed, take no loans, and use Mattress Bank.

The purpose of an LLC/Corporation (the Company) is to provide a corporate veil from the managing directors. In such situation, an SSN is not required, but most businesses will then require the Company's Tax Identification Number (TIN) which effectively provides the same identification value as an SSN. Going down that route, the Company itself can take loans and transact with both domestic and international banks.

Re: Outlook/Hotmail is no longer blocking my mail server

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Post by 13of40 »

judge2020 wrote: post #89
blcknight wrote: post #42

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This would probably work in a lot of European countries or places with high levels of government trust. I could see the German post office for example offering something like this and getting wide acceptance. You’ll have a lot of distrustful Americans commenting how terrible this idea is and the government can’t be trusted. They’d rather get it from a corporation and be subjected to unlimited surveillance capitalism…

How does anyone have trust in their government besides to provide basic services? Every single government is hellbent on mass surveillance, and the EU is currently leading the way, not the US: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/11/article-45-will-roll-b...

This is something that comes to mind whenever I hear about a local government doing a monoboly-busting effort to provide internet connectivity to their city, county, etc. I know their heart's probably in the right place, but I don't want the government to have a plug in the wall of my home that serves all of my communications and media.
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