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Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by cuu508 »

konschubert wrote: post #59
sschueller wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Infotainment is not a cars purpose but an addition. If you need to play video games and watch Netflix then you should not be driving.

I would like a map that is up to date and has a good UX. Spotify and podcasts. Voice controls that allow me to hear and speak text messages. Basic stuff, impossible for Volkswagen. EDIT: I agree with the replies that say this should be handled by CarPlay/Android Auto. In which case I’d like my cars software to support that well. EDIT2: Oh and there has to be an api where the car shares charge state and range estimate…

Me too, but I want none of this built into the car (not even if just as a "dumb" Android Auto screen) because this technology will look outdated and tacky in 5 years

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by underdeserver »

seanieb wrote: post #30

Tesla Model 3, owner here. The list of reasons why I will never buy a Tesla again is too long, but they pretty much all boil down to cheap parts and poor build quality. That goes for their software also, absolute junk.

Can you please elaborate on that list? I've had a Model 3 for two and a half years and it's still the best driving experience I've ever had.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by namdnay »

anovikov wrote: post #62

Isn't it simply because it has no regular service intervals at all so EVERY time it goes to service, it's because of some fault? While other cars have the faulty components changed during at least annual, and usually more frequent service (normally it's 1 year of 15K km whichever comes first), and it doesn't count as a fault? Here in Cyprus, there is no Tesla service and no one knows how to fix them. So people just b…

Close - these aren’t service stats, they’re stats from legal inspections (every 2 years after the first 4 years I think?). So people who don’t service regularly (eg Teslas) will use these inspections as a check. Whereas people who do service regularly (all cars that need oil changes) will already have paid a mechanic to check

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by rs_rs_rs_rs_rs »

seshagiric wrote: post #127

My experience as a Model Y owner: What works: - best in class software quality. Both various controls (lights, wipers, electronic parking brake etc.) and infotainment work just right. - Navigation is quite good, especially considering it automatically adds/ suggests charging locations as needed. - Steering assist (automatic lane and speed control) is quite handy. I never felt the need for trying out autopilot. What d…

>Price drops. Cars depreciate but to have a $10-15K price drop right after I purchased really sucked. For this reason alone, I will never buy a Tesla again.

Aren't all cars like that?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by bluetomcat »

arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

There are also faults and faults. A defective oxygen sensor on an ICE vehicle is easily diagnosed and replaced within minutes. Squeaking interior and misaligned doors from the factory - not so much.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by [deleted] »

posix86 wrote: post #122
arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

Yeah, it's a bit odd. Combustion cars have less registered failures... because they're serviced more often? So more servicing = fewer failures at the time of this test. Duh. That doesn't say anything about the robustness of the car yet.

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by philjackson »

Dinux wrote: post #32

Sofar I've owned 4 Tesla cars and never had any serious issues that were not addressed immediately. My current Model Y had a cracked roof, they replaced the glass within a couple or hours. Here in The Netherlands inspections are mandatory for all cars every 1/2 years. I've noticed the tires may not be as durable as they should be but no idea how they stack up against another EV. Anything you use and use a lot needs m…

4 cars in 10 years is 3 cars too many.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by haeffin »

arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

Why do you think there's a longer interval between inspections for Teslas? The interval for Hauptuntersuchung in Germany (which this article is about) is 2 years (except for the first one which happens after 3 years), regardless of car brand.

And a windshield wiper needing replacement wouldn't count as a "significant fault" that they force you to come back for before getting certified.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by code_runner »

rs_rs_rs_rs_rs wrote: post #134
seshagiric wrote: post #127

My experience as a Model Y owner: What works: - best in class software quality. Both various controls (lights, wipers, electronic parking brake etc.) and infotainment work just right. - Navigation is quite good, especially considering it automatically adds/ suggests charging locations as needed. - Steering assist (automatic lane and speed control) is quite handy. I never felt the need for trying out autopilot. What d…

>Price drops. Cars depreciate but to have a $10-15K price drop right after I purchased really sucked. For this reason alone, I will never buy a Tesla again. Aren't all cars like that?

They dropped the price of a new model a few times recently which meant used cars dropped that much more. I think that’s what is being referenced here.

Otherwise, the (mostly) static nature of Tesla models kept the used Tesla market in decent shape

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by pmontra »

prmoustache wrote: post #71
silisili wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My last two new ICE cars had horrible infotainment that crashed constantly, loose fits, and an interior that rattles until it drives one to violence. I'd say they are competing on even grounds here.

Aren't everybody using android auto (or its Apple equivalent) these days anyway? The builtin infotainment system is usually just a second thought that exist just to showcase something in the showroom and setup android auto at first use.

Google upgraded Android Auto to a backward incompatible version right before I bought my second hand 2016 car. The car manufacturer never upgraded the software of the car so I don't even know what Android Auto can do. But everybody has their own phone so if it's OK at home and on a bus it will be OK in a car too.
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