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The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by miiiiiike »

peyton wrote: post #72
eatonphil wrote: post #51

It seems worth looking into what section of the population (either in terms of age or marital status or number of children or education or salary or whatnot) is moving out of NYC. For example, NYC still ranks at the top of where college graduates apply to [0]. [0] https://joinhandshake.com/blog/employers/where-are-college-s...

The comptroller’s report makes it look more like white flight. Especially figure 6.

I was there from 2012 to 2022 (with a year or two in DC). If my circles are any indication, and they are, it was “cramped in a one bedroom apartment for two years working jobs we could do from anywhere”-flight. I live on 1.33 acres and have a dog now.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by jupp0r »

tharne wrote: post #107
wing-_-nuts wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

covid spread through kids like wildfire, often via asymptomatic infections which then spread to, and killed, elderly who just wanted to see their grandkids. The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity.

> The amount of pushback these measures got, when we were literally just trying to save lives and prevent disability through long covid absolutely staggers the mind and erodes my faith in humanity. Or you could reasonably conclude that the policies enacted during COVID are yet another example of how we prioritize the elderly over children in the United States, arguably because children don't vote and the elderly do.…

The 140k children who lost a parent or caregiver to COVID [1] would probably disagree with your statement. Losing your parents is also not great for emotional wellbeing or development.

[1] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/more-140000-us...

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by chrisco255 »

xeromal wrote: post #77
toomuchtodo wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mostly. People leaving Florida typically end up in Georgia or the Carolinas. > For example, most people moving to Florida moved from New York, the fourth largest state in population and a longstanding origin of Florida-bound movers. https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2023/07/04/florida-i... https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2023/06/state-to-stat...

There are a random amount of New Yorkers in my tiny city in N. Georgia. lol. Something is amiss. haha. They seem to fit in well though taking up shooting, four wheelers, and other traditional activities.

Are these "upstate" New Yorkers or from the city?

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by airstrike »

shin_lao wrote: post #67

More taxes. Less service. Everything is outrageously expensive. Middle class gets crushed. If you've wealthy, no point in having your main residence in NYC (see, more taxes). Will get worse before it gets better.

This is it in a nutshell. And I don't see anything that points to those trends reversing in a meaningful way long term.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by xeromal »

brewdad wrote: post #119
xeromal wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a random amount of New Yorkers in my tiny city in N. Georgia. lol. Something is amiss. haha. They seem to fit in well though taking up shooting, four wheelers, and other traditional activities.

When you say New Yorkers, do you mean New York City or elsewhere in the state? All of those activities would be pretty common in New York once you get a couple hours away from the City.

IDK, they sound like "Heyyy, I'm wolkin' here" and they have new york tags and italian surnames. I haven't asked them where specifically they're from. They seem to love it here though. We have 3 families in my neighborhood.

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by airstrike »

jeffbee wrote: post #121
shin_lao wrote: post #67

More taxes. Less service. Everything is outrageously expensive. Middle class gets crushed. If you've wealthy, no point in having your main residence in NYC (see, more taxes). Will get worse before it gets better.

Instead of regurgitating your priors you could have simply read the article.

What he said is totally in line with the article?

“In the pandemic’s wake, we see an altered population and it raises longstanding concerns about the cost of living, the growing wealth gap, the need to preserve a strong middle class, and the challenges of serving an aging population, while ensuring that families are able to raise their children here. We need the city to remain competitive on the world stage and a place where people want to move, put down roots and thrive.”

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by wolverine876 »

dotnet00 wrote: post #71
jjulius wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I live in NYC. The problem is that there’s literally 0 housing. That’s it. >Literally so many people want to move here, but you look on all of streeteasy on a given day and there’s like 500 apartments. In a cities of millions. I'm currently in my mid-30's. Throughout all of my 20's, I thought it would be a blast to live in NYC. Then I had a good stretch where I visited it a whole bunch of times, hanging out with fri…

Add in the considerations regarding moving every couple of years and doing it all over again. There's no long term stability to be had, so it's no wonder that people left when given the chance in the form of increased remote opportunities and a lifestyle "reset" in the form of covid.

I think the story of NYC is people try it when they don't need stability. Some make it and get stability there, some don't and move on, and a new generation moves in.

"If I can make it there, I'll make it anywhere ..."

.....

  And yes, we look the same
  Both pumping steel
  Both sweating

  But you know she got nothing to hide
  And I got something to hide here
  Called desire.
  I got something to hide here
  Called desire
  And I will get out of here

  You know that fear potion is just about to come
  In my nose is the taste of sugar
  And I got nothing to hide here
  Save desire

  And I'm going to go
  I'm going to get out of here
  I'm going to get out of here
  I'm going to get on that train
  And I'm going to go on that train
  And go to New York City

  I'm going to be somebody
  I'm getting
  Going to get on that train
  Go to New York City

  I'm going to be so big
  I'm going to be a big star
  And I will never return ...

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by cglan »

thehappypm wrote: post #44
shortrounddev2 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And new york decides the best way to solve this problem is to irrationally ban short term rentals rather than just building more housing

NYC is insanely dense already. “Just build more housing” isn’t really viable.

most of nyc outside Manhattan is 2 story townhouses

Re: The changing face of post-pandemic New York City

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Post by milkshakes »

airstrike wrote: post #124
tharne wrote: post #84

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Crime (or lack of policing) is not one of the issues affecting NYC these days. It's more like crazy high rent, bad transit, generational disillusion with traditional NY careers like finance and law, the advent of "feasible" remote work and, I wanna say, the effect of social media making it clear you could be somewhere where it's usually warmer, happier, healthier, and more human. Speaking as a former Manhattan reside…

which american city has better transit than new york?
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