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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The use of "additionally" is weird here. A full roundtrip is 45 hours. It doesn't take 22.5 + 45 hours to receive a response. 45 = 22.5 + 22.5.

It's an additional fact.

Is it though? If it takes 22.5 hours to get there, the response is another 22.5 hours. It's not a new fact, it's a universal limitation.

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LOL @ CNN blocking Firefox! "Browser Blocked We apologize, but your web browser is configured in such a way that it is preventing this site from implementing required components that protect your privacy and allow you to view and change your privacy settings. This functionality is required for privacy legislation in your region. We recommend you use a different browser or disable the “EasyList Cookie” filter from you…

Same for Safari. Disabling Javascript worked.

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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post #81
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The use of "additionally" is weird here. A full roundtrip is 45 hours. It doesn't take 22.5 + 45 hours to receive a response. 45 = 22.5 + 22.5.

It's an additional fact.

Then they should start every sentence with "additional"!

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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If NASA can't contact it again and it has bravely gone into the great darkness alone with a piece of us, let's hope it's eventually found by a race capable of understanding the fragment of memory it carries.

If you're lost V'ger, safe travels.

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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> Initially designed to last five years NASA tech often seems to outlive its initial mission length by a massive margin. The Mars rovers spring to mind. It's incredibly impressive, and almost embarrassing! Surely this isn't accidental. Is the kit massively over-specced? Do the uncertainties and risks necessitate such a depth of redundancy that when stuff goes kinda smoothly the thing lasts 9 times longer than it was…

In addition to what other people mentioned (if you design something to have a 99.99% chance of lasting x years, it'll probably last some multiple of x), a lot of failures follow what's called a bathtub curve (visual depiction: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve#/media/File%3A...).

Once you can make something work for 1 day, you're past the most dangerous phase.

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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> Initially designed to last five years NASA tech often seems to outlive its initial mission length by a massive margin. The Mars rovers spring to mind. It's incredibly impressive, and almost embarrassing! Surely this isn't accidental. Is the kit massively over-specced? Do the uncertainties and risks necessitate such a depth of redundancy that when stuff goes kinda smoothly the thing lasts 9 times longer than it was…

NASA definitely does overengineer things at the beginning, but it's worth noting that an incredible amount of work goes into keeping these things alive past their end date. For example regularly updating the software to be more efficient so probes can keep functioning and communicating despite having less and less power and being further and further away.

There's also lessons learned once a mission is in progress, like "if we move in this weird pattern we can shake some dust off the solar panels."

Finally, a lot of these missions that continue long past the predicted end date do so with some limitations - maybe going forward a particular sensor is unavailable or certain maneuvers can't be done anymore - but there's still enough to justify keeping the mission going.

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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post #70

I always have a sense of pride and a feeling of respect for us as a human race when reading about V'ger. It's astonishing that we were able to send a space probe, designed and built to be so robust that it's still doing its thing and sending us postcards after 46 years(!!!) of flying away from us in an extremely harmful environment, while we still fuck simple stuff up back home.

So true. NASA's achievements are the highest of human accomplishments, imo. Sometimes I picture being on the team that built these triumphs, I think I would be overtaken with pride forever.

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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In case anyone was curious

Both Voyager probes power themselves with radioisotope thermoelectric generators (RTGs), which convert heat from decaying plutonium into electricity. The continual decay process means the generator produces slightly less power each year

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/nasas-voyager-will-do-more-sci...

Re: Voyager 1 stops communicating with Earth

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LOL @ CNN blocking Firefox! "Browser Blocked We apologize, but your web browser is configured in such a way that it is preventing this site from implementing required components that protect your privacy and allow you to view and change your privacy settings. This functionality is required for privacy legislation in your region. We recommend you use a different browser or disable the “EasyList Cookie” filter from you…

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