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I'm not saying it shouldn't count as a recall, but for the consumer it's just an update.
I'm not sure there is a need for a distinction here, legally it is considered a recall whether or not it can be resolved with an update.
The recall report: https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2023/RCLRPT-23V838-8276.PDF This recall is specifically targeted at the system that monitors if the driver is paying attention.
So when is Toyota (the only other system I have experience with) going to be recalled? Their system is worse than Tesla's and will just randomly disable itself with zero alerts.
That's how it encourages the driver to pay attention!
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It is loaded. It means a critical safety issue has been found by the government and they’re forcing it to be fixed. That comes with various timeline and notification requirements. That’s all it means. Whether or not you have to drive to a specific building to get it done is not and never has been a requirement of the recall process. That’s just how automakers have done it, mostly out of lack of OTA and unwillingness…
We need a different word. This is not a recall.
As if the purpose of the headline is just to make people think this is a massive product recall.
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It is loaded. It means a critical safety issue has been found by the government and they’re forcing it to be fixed. That comes with various timeline and notification requirements. That’s all it means. Whether or not you have to drive to a specific building to get it done is not and never has been a requirement of the recall process. That’s just how automakers have done it, mostly out of lack of OTA and unwillingness…
We need a different word. This is not a recall.
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I would say on HN you're far more likely to get some "whell ahcktuwally" comments in the most counterproductive way, particularly because there are so many Tesla and Musk fans that immediately become defensive vs any negative news or criticism of each and engage in semantic quibbling to deflect. Recall is the correct word to use for this sort of NTSC action. Most people understand what it means and don't care about O…
> Most people […] don't care about OTA vs plugging in an ODB port. Yes, they do. For the former, you just let the car autoupdate and that’s it. For the latter, you gotta drive to a dealership/service center and leave your car there so that the service center employees can resolve it via “plugging in an ODB port.” One requires much more work and effort than the other on the part of the driver. For one, I think most pe…
Note: “tesla recalls” == “tesla pushes OTA software update (just like any regular OTA update)”
"Government Regulators Force Tesla to Add New Warning Language to Autopilot Software" would be so much more accurate, but wouldn't have the same negative connotation
Note: “tesla recalls” == “tesla pushes OTA software update (just like any regular OTA update)”
> The update will add new, more prominent visual alerts and checks for the Autosteer function, which is part of Autopilot. Nothing was actually broken but regulators just insist on more alerts and Tesla just implemented those and is rolling them out with a routine software update. But that's a less dramatic headline. Actual recalls are less frequent unless there is a hardware problem like the wheels falling of a toyo…
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The term is rightfully loaded, and it is being used correctly. The hazard being an OTA patchable software issue doesn't soften the risk, so why soften the language?
Because having one word mean two different things is less clear than having two words that mean two different things.
Note: “tesla recalls” == “tesla pushes OTA software update (just like any regular OTA update)”
I appreciate the clarification here. I read this headline this morning and it made me think they had to "(physically) recall 2M vehicles" as-in take them off the road completely. With a cup of coffee it feels a bit more like "take them into a service center to fix them" but even that is far larger than the truth.