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23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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The same people believed crypto-currency, infinite growth, social media and many other things. At least 23andMe provided actual value, to some at least. What I find strange is that 23andMe did not automatically delete data after 30 days, or at the very least took it offline, only to be available on request. Notify people that their results are available and inform them that the data will be available for 30 days afte…

What actual value did 23andMe and similar services offer in the first place? Quenching someone's curiosity about where their ancestors are from? Do we even know how accurate it is at doing that?

Ancestry data, but also health markers. I.e. you're probably going to get macular degeneration, Tay-Sachs and cervical cancer.

Once I enabled the social graph thing I was immediately hounded by distant relatives who I assume want to chop me up for parts.

> Do we even know how accurate it is at doing that?

The police have closed a few cold murder cases based on adjacency (once Parabon got their hands on samples), so it must be pretty accurate.

Anecdotally, my profile told a radically different story about our ancestry than my family's vague lore led me to believe. 23andMe's data made way more sense.

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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To duck out of the new ToS, just write this email to legal@23andme.com-- To Whom It May Concern: My name is [name], and my 23andMe account is under the email [email]. I am writing to declare that I do not agree to the new terms of service at https://www.23andme.com/legal/terms-of-service/ .

I am logging to my 23andme account to confirm my info and name registered there.

I forgot my password and did a password reset. They have password requirement of 12 characters minimum. A bunch of security theater just to get hacked anyways

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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post #31

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The DNA we are leaking is impossible to copy unlike the DNA we are sending to 23andme.

No; this is factually wrong.

And not even a bit of clarifying? If you can convert the DNA sample into two DNA copies without destroying the sample, probably you are a God.

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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post #21

I would have presumed that security-minded people, which includes those who work in tech, would not so easily give away their genome, and that most of 23andMe's customers are a slice of the general population. But then I read about things like WorldCoin and that people who go to startup parties jump at the chance to give away scans of their retinas and I'm befuddled. Why would anyone willingly do that?

It will be a cold day in hell before I ever submit to dna analysis of this nature.

That doesn't stop my family from doing so, but I sure as hell will never.

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DNA we are leaking is impossible to copy unlike the DNA we are sending to 23andme.

You know, you can send other peoples DNA to sequencing services too…

Probably you can send to them anything else but how it relates to my comment?

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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post #7

To duck out of the new ToS, just write this email to legal@23andme.com-- To Whom It May Concern: My name is [name], and my 23andMe account is under the email [email]. I am writing to declare that I do not agree to the new terms of service at https://www.23andme.com/legal/terms-of-service/ .

I'm just surprised they aren't making you send a physical letter via USPS.

Some companies require that. Here is PayPal's process for example: https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/useragreement-full#table-...

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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“Not responsible for black eye if something falls from your vehicle and damages my vehicle.”

Except that the truck driver has zero fault for the gravel on the road and the spacing between the tires and the mud guard of the truck his employer maintains. Or did you mean you’d seek out the ceo of the truck company and give them a black eye?

A driver has a legal obligation to not drive a vehicle that is spreading debris on the road, which they are often doing and that debris often comes from their construction sites. There are places that use track washing stations at entrances and exits to prevent this.

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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post #7

To duck out of the new ToS, just write this email to legal@23andme.com-- To Whom It May Concern: My name is [name], and my 23andMe account is under the email [email]. I am writing to declare that I do not agree to the new terms of service at https://www.23andme.com/legal/terms-of-service/ .

I'm just surprised they aren't making you send a physical letter via USPS. Some companies require that. Here is PayPal's process for example: https://www.paypal.com/us/legalhub/useragreement-full#table-...

They aren't the government, silly billy. Just because it's written down doesn't mean that it has value, it's just an (effectively unfortunate) deterrent, since oftentimes a court has to decide that it's illegal.

Hopefully our court system will get some more teeth vs other corporations soon.

Re: 23andMe changed its terms of service to prevent hacked customers from suing

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post #21

I would have presumed that security-minded people, which includes those who work in tech, would not so easily give away their genome, and that most of 23andMe's customers are a slice of the general population. But then I read about things like WorldCoin and that people who go to startup parties jump at the chance to give away scans of their retinas and I'm befuddled. Why would anyone willingly do that?

The long term premise of WorldCoin is to not store retina scans in any way, and scanning stations in the US already do not do so.
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