Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access

Post by tiahura » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 11:24 PM UTC

ggm wrote: post #107

madeofpalk wrote: post #62

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'Nobody' in the EU uses iMessage, even on iPhones. Everyone here already uses Whatsapp. This demonstrates a lack of a monopoly and how competition can flourish. Honestly - and EU-regulation that Apple faces over iMessage would just be collateral damage from EU targeting Whatsapp.

These assertions need those quotes around 'nobody' because I work with a bunch of apple device owners across Europe and they certainly do use Apple messages. At scale yes, signal, telegram and whatsapp are perhaps more significant than the apple ecology and the ratio of android to apple outside the USA and canada probably shows why.

Post by MBCook » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 11:24 PM UTC

School-Cotton wrote: post #101

goodluckchuck wrote: post #86

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It looks to me like there is an advantageous business relationship between Beeper and their customers. As a general rule, Apple is free to change their programs and how they work. However, I think there’s a plausible argument for tortious interference here if the sole purpose was to prevent interoperability.

Are you a lawyer because Apple stopping third parties from using their service being in any way illegal sounds extremely hard to believe

Post by diligiant » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 11:25 PM UTC

madeofpalk wrote: post #121

ggm wrote: post #107

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These assertions need those quotes around 'nobody' because I work with a bunch of apple device owners across Europe and they certainly do use Apple messages. At scale yes, signal, telegram and whatsapp are perhaps more significant than the apple ecology and the ratio of android to apple outside the USA and canada probably shows why.

Yes, I'm sure that there is at least one person who uses iMessage in all of Europe.

Post by School-Cotton » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 11:25 PM UTC

throw310822 wrote: post #59

Do sms/mms received from iMessage users on Android look anything in particular? Because a possible move for Google would be to reject them by default in some future version (hm hm, "security reasons"). End of "yes you're still in but you look like a cripple" and begin of "this app doesn't allow me to talk to that person, if I want to reach him I need to switch to something that supports Android".

Post by gnicholas » Fri, Dec 08, 2023, 11:26 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #119

goodluckchuck wrote: post #86

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It looks to me like there is an advantageous business relationship between Beeper and their customers. As a general rule, Apple is free to change their programs and how they work. However, I think there’s a plausible argument for tortious interference here if the sole purpose was to prevent interoperability.

There's a bunch of reasons why this is unlikely to be tortious interference, but one of the obvious ones is the contractual Terms & Conditions that apply between Apple and its users; I doubt Beeper is liable here, but if interference was a thing, my bet (not a lawyer!) is that the liability would point the other direction.