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The pro-Israel information war

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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This article, more than making me feel one way or another about the particular issue at hand (Isreal Hamas) makes me speculate what other unknown, better coordinated, better funded, interest groups might be doing this sort of thing on a massive scale. I'm reminded of the "Come out - we have you surrounded" meme where the mentally insane man is hiding behind a desk with a shotgun screaming "Get out of my head" or "I h…

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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What did he say? Nothing new on his home page.

he tweeted a while back the number of palestinian vs israeli children who have died since october 7 there were way more palestinian children who had died, and some didn't like that being broadcast

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Re: The pro-Israel information war

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post #106

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Dismantling the Israeli ethnostate is not the same thing as destruction or genocide of people living in Israel. I've seen many cases where the former is wilfully misinterpreted as the latter.

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You've broken the site guidelines badly in this thread. We're going to have to ban accounts that keep doing that, so please stop now.

Needless to say, this goes regardless of which side of the conflict people are supporting.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

It’s obviously true that criticism of Israel isn’t inherently antisemitic. But that’s also a convenient excuse used by people who are actually antisemitic. Both of these things can be true at once.

It's obviously true that calling out or implying anti semitism where it doesnt exist doesnt automatically make the accuser an racist.

But it usually does.

They are, while doing this, implicitly or explicitly endorsing Bibi's "exterminate the palestinians" Amalek trope, Ben Gvir hanging a portrait of Baruch Goldstein on his wall (shot up a mosque, considered to be a hero by ~10% of Israelis) and Isaac Herzog calling race-mixing a "tragedy".

(i dont think it's too controversial to suggest that those 3 people essentially represent Israel)

This practice of calling all and sundry racist in defense of a state founded upon an ideology of racial purity is, of course, probably mostly racist projection.

Indeed, it's hard to be a dedicated anti-racist these days without being accused of being an anti semite at some point.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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post #57

"That’s where the efforts of J-Ventures’ hasbara WhatsApp group come in. The group, which also includes attorneys and individuals affiliated with the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), has tirelessly worked to fire employees and punish activists for expressing pro-Palestinian views." Is that even legal under US law? Apparently it is in some states. Federal law does not, apparently, prohibit…

There have been many arguments that AIPAC should register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act but my understanding is that in it's current form AIPAC doesn't qualify.

I see this as a reason to strengthen the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

The alternative explanation seems unlikely. I'd think that if it were true, there'd be even one single instance of that having come up in conversation prior to bad graffiti and printed propaganda showing up all over my neighborhood. Getting a glimpse of what people allow themselves to be subjected to on the various platforms seems to indicate it's younger, easily influenced, volatile reactionary people suddenly being inflamed by whatever hot conflict of the day it is; people I wouldn't normally talk to anyway and who wouldn't have any authentic connection with it. The only time it's come up in real life was when I bumped into some Israeli guests at a hostel, and they were talking about what their families were going through and whether they'd have to go back and serve.

It doesn't come up on my Instagram presumably because I had previously unfollowed everyone who posted about whatever other injustice they'd been told to be pissed about, and shockingly I don't feel the need to go and vandalize property to spread the word.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anti-semitism in and of itself is unequivocally wrong. But conflating anti-Israeli views with anti-Semitic views does a disservice to Jews and Palestinians alike.

It’s obviously true that criticism of Israel isn’t inherently antisemitic. But that’s also a convenient excuse used by people who are actually antisemitic. Both of these things can be true at once.

One could say the same for "the other part": being pro-Palestinians doesn't mean being pro-Hamas, but that's also a convenient excuse used by people who are actually pro-Hamas.

The problem happens when nobody is given the benefit of the doubt about being in group 1.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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This article, more than making me feel one way or another about the particular issue at hand (Isreal Hamas) makes me speculate what other unknown, better coordinated, better funded, interest groups might be doing this sort of thing on a massive scale. I'm reminded of the "Come out - we have you surrounded" meme where the mentally insane man is hiding behind a desk with a shotgun screaming "Get out of my head" or "I h…

It's very interesting to me that a large new org (say BBC, DW, CBC whatever) will publish some YouTube video report about some political subject (Canada and India, Ukraine and Russia, Taiwan and China), and within 15 minutes the video has a comments section containing 200+ posts in a very obvious direction. Are 100s of Canadians really awake at 5am posting on a BBC video about Canadian support for Ukraine 15 minutes after it was posted? Are 100s of Taiwanese people really awake at 3am commenting on a DW video about China-Taiwan relations? 15 minutes after it was posted? I can't tell if I've become paranoid over the last 4/5 years or if it's real, but it seems so stark to me how intense manipulation on platforms is, be it YouTube, TikTok, or Instagram.

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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AIPAC is the American-Israel Political Action Committee. "The largest pro-Israel PAC in America", their web site says. They are, quite openly, a lobby for Israel's interests in the US.

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FARA defines "foreign agents" as individuals or entities engaged in domestic lobbying or advocacy for foreign governments, organizations, or persons. Doesn't matter if they are US persons. It's a registration and disclosure requirement.[1]

[1] https://www.justice.gov/nsd-fara/fara-index-and-act#611c

Re: The pro-Israel information war

#140

I have no skin in this game. What I have seen is a confusion (perhaps intentional) between anti-semitism, and protesting Israel’s behavior since the Hamas attack in October. Criticizing Israel’s response is not anti-Semitism- it is literally just criticizing the response.

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I’m not holding them to a higher standard.

Imagine if you will someone going to start large scale bombing NYC. Or London. Or Rome.

The Hamas attack was unprecedented and horrific. I don’t know that it justifies declaring all out war on and entire city.

I can say that without being anti-Semitic.

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