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Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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> To keep public transport running smoothly, in some places we are constructing separate lanes for public transport. Public transport is allowed to continue travelling at 50km/h on these lanes. So even more incentive to use public transportation.

Yes, WEF wants to abolish private ownership of vehicles so they can decide when and where you can go.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amsterdam notably was designed for cars in the 70s afaik, but they consciously redesigned it over time. So I’m a few decades, it could be your American city.

No, they tried that but aborted the plan, fortunately. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokinen_Plan But not until they did quite a bit of damage, some of which remains today. If that idiot had had his way a lot of the historical city would have been destroyed.

Unfortunately, idiots in many other cities around the world did have their way at that time

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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The loud motorcycle crowd deserve death. I am a pacifist and believe strongly that love and kindness is the natural state of man, but people unwinding their modified bikes down residential streets are just malicious monsters who torture entire neighborhoods for their perverse pleasure. I don’t buy their “to be noticed by cars on the highway” malarkey, since they wind up their motors to earth shattering levels on city…

I see your transient crowd of loud motorcycles and raise you a stationary team of suburban gas-powered leaf blowers.

At least the leaf blowers happen during the day. I live in a very dense neighbourhood, and it's a running joke among neighbours in the local FB groups. That being said, the (on purpose) loud motorcycle and car crowd honestly deserves the worst.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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The "quieter" aspect is no joke. For the first time in my life, I moved into an apartment near a busy road, the noise is very difficult and I have to wear silicone ear plugs/pillows at night just to sleep because of car noise, especially people with loud motorcycles and trucks and cars that think everyone wants to hear them at 2am. Outside of that over-the-top "flex" noise, just the car noise is fatiguing. One can sa…

Tell me you’re poor without telling me you’re poor

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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post #46

So many comments in here using the context of US cities and missed that Amsterdam (like most big european cities) is not designed for high throughput car transportation and as a result painting that decision as making things "crazy slow" and that it "sounds terrible". I highly encourage you to go live a week in a big old european city (Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Madrid) without renting a car to understand why…

Tbh I don’t know if Amsterdam is a city or a country but it doesn’t matter.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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post #46

So many comments in here using the context of US cities and missed that Amsterdam (like most big european cities) is not designed for high throughput car transportation and as a result painting that decision as making things "crazy slow" and that it "sounds terrible". I highly encourage you to go live a week in a big old european city (Paris, London, Berlin, Amsterdam, Madrid) without renting a car to understand why…

Amsterdam notably was designed for cars in the 70s afaik, but they consciously redesigned it over time. So I’m a few decades, it could be your American city.

American cities are built to benefit the people who pay for them. They don’t revamp things to benefit the poors.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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That's amazing. Meanwhile, in some other first world countries (allegedly): "come on bro, just one more lane, and increase the speed limit, that'll definitely fix traffic and make everything better".

Yeah it's a known thing now that widening highways / adding more throughput does not ease congestion etc. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/us/widen-highways-traffic... .

Are you proposing the for the first time ever The NY Times printed something factual on January 6, 2023? Or is this more of their bullshit?

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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The "quieter" aspect is no joke. For the first time in my life, I moved into an apartment near a busy road, the noise is very difficult and I have to wear silicone ear plugs/pillows at night just to sleep because of car noise, especially people with loud motorcycles and trucks and cars that think everyone wants to hear them at 2am. Outside of that over-the-top "flex" noise, just the car noise is fatiguing. One can sa…

I used to read a book about complex systems. The book told a story that a town decided to build speed bumps to slow down traffic in its downtown area. As a results, there are more cars on the road and more noise. I guess the reality is more complex the what the book covers.

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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post #103

Wouldn’t this cause more pollution? Lower fuel efficiency, increased congestion, more half-clutch inching, more stopping, more time spent by each vehicle on each road… …At least assuming the number and routes of travels stay constant. I used to drive a 2010 Diesel VW Golf, about 55kW, in Central Europe. It would take 4l/100km at 70kph and closer to 11l/100km when maneuvering slowly. 2.75x pollution diff per km in the…

Not in Amsterdam where

- there are more bicycles than people [1]

- only 27% of trips are done via car [2]

- people travel half as many miles per day than the US [3]

Unlike most cities, especially in the US but also elsewhere in Europe, other forms of transportation are actually dependable and more convenient alternatives to driving. Making driving less convenient will actually entice mode shift in Amsterdam, rather than simply be a nuisance.

[1] https://bicycledutch.wordpress.com/2018/01/02/dutch-cycling-...

[2] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S009411902...

[3] https://www.peopleforbikes.org/news/best-kept-secret-dutch-b...

Re: Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads

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post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amsterdam notably was designed for cars in the 70s afaik, but they consciously redesigned it over time. So I’m a few decades, it could be your American city.

I mean it was quite clearly designed for water traffic first. I wouldn't describe it as designed for cars in comparison to say Los Angeles or Kansas City.

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