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He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Rules on products sold in the west. Most manufacturing companies already need to trace the origin of their components, so you could specify what products are and aren't allowed to be sold in the west.

And how would that help the working conditions in China? You’d just shift the manufacturing to a less hostile environment, where the government doesn’t intentionally make it hard to do auditing on modern slavery. Like India. I just don’t see how it would help the Chinese labour situation at all.

If china wants to deliver to the west they'll need to improve working conditions. Chinese companies will deliver at spec for lowest cost, if you up the spec, they'll adjust and increase cost adjustingly.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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What's wrong with bombing terrorists? At least they do everything to avoid civilians, unlike Hamas and Hezbollah, who specifically target civilians.

What's wrong with providing a service to Israel's military (the only democracy in the Middle east, and tolerant of others)? They literally call civilians in an area before bombing for their safety. What other military in the world does that during a war?

Did you know Amazon provides massive service to the US military and federal agencies?

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Didn't the US have a whistleblower bounty with the IRS? I heard it was one of the most successful programs they ever ran. Whistleblow on your company's tax evasion and you get paid a pretty good chunk of money from the IRS. IRS collects its due and you get paid proportional to the amount of tax revenue evaded (I remember a few cases where the whistleblower got tens of millions of dollars). It is kind of bizarre, but…

>The IRS doesn't want to catch the small fries, to some extent tax evasion is desired for smaller companies.

What?

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict? If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea. If the latt…

I have family in Israel, people who protested against the judicial overhaul every week for weeks. Some of them are also in the military, saying after the Hamas attacks "now is the time to kill arabs". - The way Israel is reacting to the hamas atrocities [1] will not make Israel a safer place. We haven't eradicated Taliban in 20 years, but sat with them at the table after 20 years and negotiated. - Hamas was built in…

It keeps the MIL complex revenues up. Things only make sense after you add how the cash flows. It corrupts everthing in multiple ways at mutiple levels. Mil complex pays no price for bad outcomes. They benefit from them.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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> While the whole situation is a mess, Hamas definitely started this particular fist-fight. It's an insanely complicated mess going back a hundred years. Trying to figure out "who started it?" is impossible because at this point we're so far from the domain of applicability of "who started it?" that it isn't a coherent or well defined question any more.

That said, i think we can answer the question of who escalated the situation from a mostly cold conflict to the current hot war.

We can also answer (in the same way) about the escalations in the last few decades since 1948. Almost everything Israel did was reactive, they rarely shot first.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict? If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea. If the latt…

This is potentially a dangerous comment spreading quite a few potential lies stated as mere facts without any backing, can we get this flagged? Dang et al try hard to keep this forum as apolitical as possible and comments as such are definitely not helping.

Which one?

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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> to protest the Israeli attack on Hamas Usually the critique is that civilians are targeted.

But the Hamas attack against Israel ONLY targeted civilians and OP isn't protesting.

Right, I don't want to get drawn into an internet argument, but it's demonstrably false to say that Hamas targeted ONLY civilians. Military bases were run over too.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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> to protest the Israeli attack on Hamas Usually the critique is that civilians are targeted.

More than 6000 thousand kids have died in the span of 2 months or so. The most powerful militaries in the world, and more than 12.000 civilians already dead, packed together tightly as in a prison with nowhere to flee bombs raining down on them. I don't get why anyone can support that. No matter the pretext. History going back over 75 years with so much suffering on both sides, but death tolls magnitudes larger on th…

According to Hamas, right? When someone throws numbers directly from Hamas, that someone lost all credibility.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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My experience of whistleblowing even here in the west is that usually it goes very very badly. The only real thing open to you is to refuse to do anything unethical, quit and walk away. Many people can't afford to do that. Things ought to be different but we live in corrupt societies where the law is different for the rich and powerful than for everyone else.

I encourage anyone interested in the consequences of whistleblowing to watch The Insider. A truly excellent film about a whistleblower at a tobacco company and the terrible things they did to try and stop him. Russell Crowe, Al Pacino, Bruce McGill, Christopher Plummer, many others. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Wigand Trailer: https://youtu.be/MGOb29aePyc The best scene: https://youtu.be/gNKmmA6_oTQ

A Michael Mann film, no less! An all-around great piece of cinema.
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