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Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

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Just wanted to share that in my country (Spain) and more concretely in my area (rural part of Catalonia) we have a building technique called “Pedra Seca” literal translation is “Dry Stone”. It basically involves building stuff with just rocks, nothing more. It’s still in use mostly in agricultural fields. Here are a few examples: https://dd9de8c7b7.cbaul-cdnwnd.com/b5fbcf0e77b7b72ef95acd62... https://static1.ara.cat/…

It's very common in Croatia, too.

Re: Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

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Nice achievement! With upcoming multimodal foundation models, there will be many more robots with increasing capabilities soon. The world of robotics will look very different just in the next 5 years. Some announcements: China’s plan: “…China aims to be ready to mass-produce humanoids by 2025.” https://www.therobotreport.com/china-plans-to-mass-produce-h... Tesla Robot: “…it would be low cost and available to the pub…

You should take both of those announcements with a huge dollop of salt. Even the article you shared is extremely skeptical of the actual progress of Tesla's robot. And Chinese press releases should really not be read into too much - they are often much more for internal signalling then information. Either way, there are companies which are much farther along than those - Boston Dynamics has a series of extremely impr…

> Imagine a several hundred kilo machine stepping on your toes with its full weight just because it mis-estimated your movements.

"Specifications. Tesla Bot is planned to measure 5 ft 8 in (173 cm) tall and weigh 125 lb (57 kg)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimus_(robot)

I'm aware that Tesla tends to be over-optimistic in its timeline regarding AI and robotics. I do not endorse the estimates without question and yes, some other companies might have made more progress than they did. The citations were meant as examples of the development in the domain. (And Boston Dynamics doesn't seem to plan a consumer launch of a humanoid robot any time soon, so I didn't cite them.)

What made me more optimistic these days are recent progress in multimodal large foundation models which allow robots to perform much better, esp on manual manipulation. See demo from Sep 2023 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2vj0WcvH5c&t=18s&ab_channel...

Re: Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with dry stone construction is that you cannot determine the performance characteristics required for, say, a building foundation. Not all boulders are created equal, but a professional concrete pour, mixed and installed to the manufacturer’s specification is going to have a guaranteed maximum strength- something random boulders will not have. What we can do is create our own concrete mix using Portland c…

Why not do a stones-wall like in the article, but add cement as glue between the rocks?

That is what I assumed when I first started drywalling. However, in the wild, I can't see such a solution working. Unlike the walls of a house, walls bedded on soil move all the time. In the ever-moving domain of the Welsh hillsides, cement glue would crack within a year.

Ideally, drystone walls are composed of two skins. The way the stones are arranged tends these skins to each incline inwards slightly. In this way, the wall as a whole acquires cohesion through physics.

Re: Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

#134

Just wanted to share that in my country (Spain) and more concretely in my area (rural part of Catalonia) we have a building technique called “Pedra Seca” literal translation is “Dry Stone”. It basically involves building stuff with just rocks, nothing more. It’s still in use mostly in agricultural fields. Here are a few examples: https://dd9de8c7b7.cbaul-cdnwnd.com/b5fbcf0e77b7b72ef95acd62... https://static1.ara.cat/…

Dry stone walling is also very common in the UK. It's a complex and now expensive skill, but a properly-built (this bit is key) wall will stay put for well over a hundred years because the rocks can shift a little rather then cracking the structure as temperatures change and water drains right out of them. It's also very locally distinctive because the shape of the stones and therefore the wall layout and texture dep…

Very common in rural Ireland, and having such a wall repaired or made is either going to cost you nothing or a LOT of money.

Re: Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

#135

Just wanted to share that in my country (Spain) and more concretely in my area (rural part of Catalonia) we have a building technique called “Pedra Seca” literal translation is “Dry Stone”. It basically involves building stuff with just rocks, nothing more. It’s still in use mostly in agricultural fields. Here are a few examples: https://dd9de8c7b7.cbaul-cdnwnd.com/b5fbcf0e77b7b72ef95acd62... https://static1.ara.cat/…

It's very common in Croatia, too.

And Malta: https://www.google.com/search?q=malta+rubble+wall

There they are called rubble walls ("hajt tas-sejjieh" in Maltese).

Seems pretty common in Mediterranean countries.

Re: Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

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Having made a few dry stone walls I can attest to the merit of this achievement. Judging where rocks are to be placed, and in what orientation is a zen art. Anecdotally... I once tried to get wild flowers to grow on a stone wall. Every year we would seed the wall, only for the seeds to fall out or be eaten by birds. On inspiration, my boss filled a few shotgun cartridges up with seeds and fired them at the wall. Perf…

Not only is this a technical marvel, but it has potential construction physics implications. In simple terms, currently we expend energy to fragment rock, and then we expend additional energy (as concrete) to glue it back together. We do all this to re-arrange rocks into a shape (and strength) we want, and most importantly to do it cheap . Suddenly, an alternative just got a lot cheaper. Clearly this isn't fully bake…

> Not only is this a technical marvel, but it has potential construction physics implications.

I don't think this is true. Gabion walls are already widely used, particularly in geotechnical structures, and masonry structures have been around for literally thousands of years.

The reason modern building technologies such as concrete/steel/composite structures replaced these techniques is that they are far safer, easier to maintain, far more space-efficient and and impose far fewer architectural constraints.

Automating this process helps drive down the cost, but cost is one of many factors and not a critical one.

> Suddenly, an alternative just got a lot cheaper.

Not really. This article just showcases a way to automate the construction of a particular wall type. This by no means implies these walls are now competitive.

Other than aesthetics, I don't see how it's possible to even conceive standard techniques such as gabion walls being replaced by dry-stone walls. The cost of building a gabion wall is literally the cost of a metal mesh and filling it with rocks. Gabion walls are even used by armed forces as rapid-deployment defensive walls in the form of Hesco bastions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesco_bastion

Re: Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So could catagorization of local stone based on acoustic and visual indicators, combined with random sampling and strength testing provide the assurance needed that a wall will have the required structural properties?

The point is that the concrete manufacturers pulverize and homogenize the aggregate. This makes random sampling acceptable. If you haven't pulverized and mixed the inputs, a random sample is merely a random sample. It isn't meaningful unless it comes from a high-entropy source.

So are you saying we couldn’t estimate the structural properties of autonomous built dry walls from local stone? Or that the error bars would be unacceptably large? Or just that this approach would only work with certain stone in certain locations?

Re: Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

#139

Just wanted to share that in my country (Spain) and more concretely in my area (rural part of Catalonia) we have a building technique called “Pedra Seca” literal translation is “Dry Stone”. It basically involves building stuff with just rocks, nothing more. It’s still in use mostly in agricultural fields. Here are a few examples: https://dd9de8c7b7.cbaul-cdnwnd.com/b5fbcf0e77b7b72ef95acd62... https://static1.ara.cat/…

In Switzerland as well. "Mur en pierre sèche".

Re: Autonomous excavator constructs a six-metre-high dry-stone wall

#140

Just wanted to share that in my country (Spain) and more concretely in my area (rural part of Catalonia) we have a building technique called “Pedra Seca” literal translation is “Dry Stone”. It basically involves building stuff with just rocks, nothing more. It’s still in use mostly in agricultural fields. Here are a few examples: https://dd9de8c7b7.cbaul-cdnwnd.com/b5fbcf0e77b7b72ef95acd62... https://static1.ara.cat/…

I recently witnessed something similar dating back to pre-Inca times in the archeological city of Quilmes: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-6DnSeACUPUUskeJJIuB...

We have them in Italy too btw, search for “muretti a secco”.

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