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Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by paradox460 »

Mistletoe wrote: post #38
malermeister wrote: post #7

Can we all finally make a concerted effort to switch back to Firefox? I get it, it was slow and bloated when Chrome initially came out and everyone switched. Well, it's not slow or bloated anymore and Chrome is now officially evil. It's time. Don't just switch your own browser. Switch the browsers of all the non-technical folks that come to you for questions.

I don't know if I can trust you. I've heard how great Firefox is now so many times and I download it and it is hot bloated garbage. If Chrome implements this, I'll just use Brave, but I will give Firefox a try then also, based on your comment.

And acting like Mozilla is some bastion of anti-advertising freedom ranges from ignorant to aggressively disingenuous

Mozilla has shipped ads directly in the browser at least three times: pocket, the automatic installation of a Mr robot extension, and the full screen new tab ad for turning red. They've given absolutely no indication they won't do it again

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by gloryjulio »

otikik wrote: post #86
mrastro wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Firefox/Chrome duopoly"? You're forgetting Safari; they have larger market share than Firefox.

Firefox works very well on iPhone, by the way. It’s my daily browser there.

It's a reskinned safari if you are not aware. The hope is once Apple allowed sideloading, we can start to use the actual firefox with extensions.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by LaideeDerry »

Google's master plan to ditch V2 might be more than just a power move. It's like they're trying to reshape the Chromium landscape, making it a tricky playground for any V2 loyalists. We're looking at a future where maintaining V2 support is like trying to keep a vintage car running in a world of electric vehicles. Nostalgic but increasingly impractical.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by augustulus »

P-Nuts wrote: post #92
otikik wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox works very well on iPhone, by the way. It’s my daily browser there.

It doesn’t support extensions though. I think only Orion supports extensions on iPhone.

Safari itself supports extensions

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by joelthelion »

eigenvalue wrote: post #93

I thought Brave made very little sense when it was first launched. Who would want an ersatz Chrome browser? Now it's starting to look very smart. Sure, it's open source so anyone can fork Chromium. But it does take a lot of sophistication to do it properly and add back the usability bits in a nice way. And if you could basically have Chrome but without losing the ad blocking, that starts to sound pretty compelling.

If it started gaining traction I wouldn't be surprised to see Google going closed source with chromium.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by insanitybit »

jimbob45 wrote: post #129
insanitybit wrote: post #120

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Thanks. Has Google explained why the limit is so low? This doesn't seem like it would be super useful to an attacker, or meaningful for performance to change to, say, 150k. They've already raised it.

Has Google explained why the limit is so low? I don’t think we need the adtech company to make a statement for us to know what’s going on here.

Well, I don't see how this would impact Google at all. Obviously as one of the biggest advertisers all of Google's advertising will fit within the limit and will be highly prioritized over others.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by loeg »

DandyDev wrote: post #127
loeg wrote: post #31

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I've been using Firefox some lately because my work has a heavyhanded managed system-wide Chrome profile and one other problem is that Firefox is just buggy and slow in some noticeable ways that Chrome is not.

I often read these kinds of comments on HN and I don’t understand them. I’m using FF on MacOS and it feels like exactly the same experience I used to have on Chrome. Except that I like multi account containers better than Chrome profiles. I would love for HN commenters to share a recording in which they show this “buggyness”

I’m on Linux. Attempting to drag a tab to a new window doesn’t work and permanently breaks the “x” button to close tabs (until a restart).

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by Vinnl »

antonok wrote: post #113
derefr wrote: post #15

Two questions I haven't seen addressed by any coverage of this change: 1. Will the ultimate removal of Manifest V2 support affect other Chromium-based browsers, or only Chrome itself? If the support for Manifest V2 isn't removed upstream in Chromium, but only disabled in Chrome, then I would expect that we will end up in a world where other browsers (e.g. Edge, Brave, Opera) continue to allow the installation of Mani…

I work on adblocking at Brave. 1. Brave, Vivaldi, and Opera have all announced they'd maintain support for Mv2 past Google's deprecation date [1]. 2. Your guess is correct - one of Google's stated motivations is to make the extension review process easier and less error-prone; having a way to opt-out would be counterproductive in that regard. I strongly doubt they'd accept the PR upstream; there is a chance other pla…

Will you be working together with Vivaldi and Opera to maintain the fork of MV2's request interception, or will we have multiple independent implementations?

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by theonemind »

vivzkestrel wrote: post #20
pier25 wrote: post #5

I like using Chrome and even went back to it after trying FF and Brave 2-3 years ago. But this would really make me look for alternatives, even if those are inferior. It's not even about Youtube. I pay for Youtube Premium. But not being able to block third party cookies would be a deal breaker.

majority of the people will still use Chrome even if Google literally delists all blockers from the planet. One major reason being "browser migration". The guys on HN crying foul on most of these articles are a vocal minority. This s Google's version of "corner the market and raise the prices". They ll lost 2-5% market share at max

If browser migration stopped the majority from changing, Internet Explorer would still dominate. But Firefox got the majority, and then Chrome.

It's a bit more fluid than the OS market. A company can't get away with just anything forever in the browser space. At least not so far. 2-5% loss is significant for one change, and denotes a chink in the armor of dominance that other players can begin to exploit; whatever dissatisfaction caused people to migrate, other players can be very good at it, which can get more people trying the other product, which if it does well in other ways, can spread. So 2-5% loss has a small chance of turning into a long, slow landslide of market share loss.=

Definitely dangerous to start throwing customer experience under the bus for short to mid-term gains without paying attention to the long term picture.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Post by signaru »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #126
zdragnar wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari's share is capped to a specific hardware. Firefox can grow by converting people without needing to wait for them to buy new devices. That said, I'm not really holding my breath for FF to grow again.

WebKit is portable and is used by a lot of browsers, including on Linux

It took me a bit of searching, but it's nice to know that there are desktop browsers that are not based on Chromium or Gecko, i.e. WebKit [1]. I would like to try Otter Browser [2], next time I use my Windows machine.

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/nkzrj0/comment/gz...

[2] https://otter-browser.org/

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