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Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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How about a link people can actually read? https://archive.li/69gz9

Eternal cloudflare captcha loop. I’ve never actually seen one of these in the wild. I hit the “I’m not a robot” checkbox, half second later the page reloads with the same checkbox.

You have to check "I'm not a Roper"! ;)

PS: Thank you bacchusracine!

Twillingate was a bit brighter with these Mrs. Roper wannabes for a pub crawl, complete with muumuus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWCx3_GVu84

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post #111

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One argument for a statute of limitations is fading human memory, but I don't see how that's the case here, from the article: > "Discarded TV film was secretly salvaged from bins and skips by staff and contractors who worked at the BBC between 1967 and 1978, when the corporation had a policy of throwing out old reels. [...] “The collectors involved are ex-employees and so are terrified. The rule was that you didn’t t…

Legal or not, the BBC obviously put a value of zero on these things when they threw them away. So who has lost, what value needs to be recovered? There's no reasonable reason for anyone to pursue legal action, it would just be vexatious and / or a waste of tax payer money.

> So who has lost, what value needs to be recovered?

Does there have to be loss? If you throw away a phone containing your nudes and I recover it, can I leak them? By your logic yes because nothing was lost, you didn't want them. Sometimes it's not as simple as you wanting to keep something or not, you should also have the right to decide that something you created should not exist.

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post #111

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One argument for a statute of limitations is fading human memory, but I don't see how that's the case here, from the article: > "Discarded TV film was secretly salvaged from bins and skips by staff and contractors who worked at the BBC between 1967 and 1978, when the corporation had a policy of throwing out old reels. [...] “The collectors involved are ex-employees and so are terrified. The rule was that you didn’t t…

In the US it’s legally clear that if it’s in the trash it’s fair game. Your employer could fire you if they catch you, but, the police for example are allowed to rummage your bin without a warrant if it’s out on the curb. And they base that on the expectation that hobos and everyone else is doing it already, so, it’s normalized here. On the other hand an employee probably wouldn’t get the copyright etc, it’s still th…

Not in Texas. Dumpster divers are usually charged with crimes here, and I think it's absurd to charge them with crimes.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Legal or not, the BBC obviously put a value of zero on these things when they threw them away. So who has lost, what value needs to be recovered? There's no reasonable reason for anyone to pursue legal action, it would just be vexatious and / or a waste of tax payer money.

> So who has lost, what value needs to be recovered? Does there have to be loss? If you throw away a phone containing your nudes and I recover it, can I leak them? By your logic yes because nothing was lost, you didn't want them. Sometimes it's not as simple as you wanting to keep something or not, you should also have the right to decide that something you created should not exist.

If you purposefully threw away a phone that you knew had nudes on, I don't think you can complain that someone found them no.

I suppose the ultimate answer is not to leave pictures of your self nude if you don't want people finding them. I'm guessing most people wouldn't want just one random person having access to their nude photos.

I'm not sure how this example changes if you replace throwing away with selling on eBay, whereas if the BBC had sold the tapes on eBay, presumably we wouldn't be having this conversation, so the comparison is flawed.

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I didn't know anything about this; it's quite interesting. ...the infamous arrest of comedian Bob Monkhouse in 1978 has not been forgotten, Franklin suspects: “Monkhouse was a private collector and was accused of pirating videos. He even had some of his archive seized. Sadly people still believe they could have their films confiscated.” https://www.pressreader.com/uk/daily-mail/20180824/282703342...

Weirdly the BBC later made a TV programme about his archive (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00x9b7w) and I don't recall them mentioning that he was arrested.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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post #125

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In the US it’s legally clear that if it’s in the trash it’s fair game. Your employer could fire you if they catch you, but, the police for example are allowed to rummage your bin without a warrant if it’s out on the curb. And they base that on the expectation that hobos and everyone else is doing it already, so, it’s normalized here. On the other hand an employee probably wouldn’t get the copyright etc, it’s still th…

Not in Texas. Dumpster divers are usually charged with crimes here, and I think it's absurd to charge them with crimes.

"Texas. It's a whole other country."

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There's a Quebec kid tv show "Une grenade avec ca" I really liked when I was a teenager and at some point one of the main actors got prosecuted for possession of child pornography, so they pulled out all the episodes he played in... which is basically every single episode I ever watched. I understand their decision to not air those, but it still feels like a part of my childhood got erased and I wish I could get a co…

https://archive.org/details/une-grenade-avec-ca-s-05-e-22-pa...

Wow, thanks!

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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post #125

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In the US it’s legally clear that if it’s in the trash it’s fair game. Your employer could fire you if they catch you, but, the police for example are allowed to rummage your bin without a warrant if it’s out on the curb. And they base that on the expectation that hobos and everyone else is doing it already, so, it’s normalized here. On the other hand an employee probably wouldn’t get the copyright etc, it’s still th…

Not in Texas. Dumpster divers are usually charged with crimes here, and I think it's absurd to charge them with crimes.

The real question is whether or not it is legal to shoot someone looking through your trash? Sadly, I’m pretty sure the answer is yes.

Re: Lost "Doctor Who" episodes found but owner is reluctant to hand them to BBC

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Is that unusual among all the countries of the world? Or is the US unusual for having a statute of limitations?

Most countries have statues of limitations for criminal offenses. It makes sense - imagine trying to defend yourself against an case where the police has been sitting on evidence for 50 years, and anyone you could call in your defense is long-dead.

On the flip side, imagine someone committed one or more crimes and were only discovered decades later. Does that mean their crimes should go unpunished.

I'm not specifically arguing for or against, but I guess it's not so simple.

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