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Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by underseacables »

philwelch wrote: post #34
jiggawatts wrote: post #24

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

Beside the point. I don’t think Fish and Wildlife is doing anything other than being annoying obstructionist bureaucrats, but even if you interpreted their obstruction in the least flattering way possible, which I agree is unfair and uncharitable , it still wouldn’t win any sympathy for SpaceX.

It is really insane how much government bureaucracy and regulation has needlessly impeded progress. From rockets to solar farms, activist environmentalism and the government have thwarted and held back so much human progress, not for any legitimate threat, but rather paranoia, fear, and the bitterness of single individuals.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by GeekyBear »

enneff wrote: post #98
maxlin wrote: post #82

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-Not being dependent on Earth for survival of the species as Starship in its huge capability and reasonably cheap cost, among with refuelability on Mars begins the road to believable planetary colonization -Asteroid / Moon mining -Overally, being capable of going to space with more than just miniscule science-oriented payloads. FYI, ISS has cost us over a 100 billion dollars. When Starship hauls its worth in volume i…

What would have to happen to earth to make it less viable a place to live than mars? An asteroid rendering earth’s surface uninhabitable? Even that wouldn’t be enough - there’s still so much more on earth to sustain human life than any planet in our solar system. Apart from proof of concept I just don’t see any practical reason to colonise mars.

> What would have to happen to earth to make it less viable a place to live than mars?

Another global airborne pandemic, but this time with a much higher fatality rate?

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by jiggawatts »

rbanffy wrote: post #94
jiggawatts wrote: post #58

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I wonder if NASA launches are held up for months waiting for information about how many sharks might be directly hit by their rockets. And then I wonder if they would have to cancel multi-billion dollar missions to deep space if the answer is non-zero. People really need to get a grip and use their common sense for a bit. A hundred workers — humans — died in the construction of the Hoover Dam, and that was considered…

> I wonder if NASA launches are held up for months waiting for information about how many sharks might be directly hit by their rockets. NASA has been actively involved in wildlife preservation since the beginning. By doing that they are effectively in control and can design it into their mission operations. https://www.kennedyspacecenter.com/blog/07/the-wild-side-of-... https://www.fws.gov/refuge/merritt-island/abou…

Is that why SLS launches cost billions of dollars?

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by ric2b »

modeless wrote: post #124
Xenoamorphous wrote: post #78

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Any hints on how this is going to change civilisation, for non-space nerds?

IMO the biggest impact for normal people is that Starlink is going to get a whole lot better. Truly worldwide satellite broadband for unmodified cell phones. Faster speeds, lower latency (lower than fiber for intercontinental traffic), smaller/cheaper antennas, better reliability especially with limited view of the sky, and more support for areas of higher population density. More esoteric: Commercial space stations.…

None of that sounds like a big impact on the lives of most people, who are already living in areas well covered by cellphone networks and will never afford to travel to space.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by ric2b »

ekianjo wrote: post #91
rbanffy wrote: post #74

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> And Starship seems to really be the main focus of Elon where he doesn't just lead but is in the weeds There lies the danger, considering his work leading Twitter.

I remember ignorant folks commenting on HN a while ago that Twitter would not last 3 months after the massive layoffs. Proven wrong over and over again.

It didn't, and they had to implement very severe rate limiting just to keep it from falling over again.

Now when I open a tweet without being logged in I can't even see any replies.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by panick21_ »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #57
bboygravity wrote: post #54

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Can you give an example of 1 thing Elon said that hasn't become a reality and cannot become a reality in the next 10 years? 1 engineering or physics related thing. Deadlines don't count. I'm waiting...

Everything Hyperloop related is not happening.

Elon literally said that he didn't have time to work on it, he just liked the idea. What more can he do manage expectation? Like people don't listen and just assume because they get information from secondary "news" articles.

Musk released a bluepaper and that pretty much it. SpaceX hosted a student competition also.

Other companies failing doesnt reflect on Musk.

I do think Hyperloop was a bad idea to be sure, but he very clearly stated he wasnt gone make it happen.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by heavenlyblue »

maxlin wrote: post #109
clort wrote: post #90

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"Can you give an example of 1 thing Elon said" ..well known example is given.. "Has Elon actually promised something concrete about this?" you can see that those things are different.

I think the reasonable limit is when something sounds like that he argues it is possible "soon" instead of not being thought about. Like, I don't think we'll have AGI or gene-modified catgirls in 10 years but those dont count as an answer to this. Hyperloop was always being to be extremely expensive and Elon's role on it was never but just try to be a catalyst for more innovation towards it. He used terms like "open-…

And FSD doesn't work, at least not in the way it was promised.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by bergie »

maxlin wrote: post #50
davely wrote: post #45

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> Elon said in 2020… To be fair, Elon has said _a lot_ of things about his various projects and not all of them are based in reality.

Everyone knows that, but Falcon 9 is extremely successful and Starship is the main project that's been in the making doing good strides once in a while, and the whole "chopstick" lift tower has already been built, with the clear idea of ultimately landing Starships right in to it. And Starship seems to really be the main focus of Elon where he doesn't just lead but is in the weeds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY73…

> Falcon 9 is extremely successful and Starship is the main project that's been in the making doing good strides once in a while

We shall see. There might be some https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second-system_effect in play with the Starship.

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by maxlin »

ric2b wrote: post #135
ekianjo wrote: post #91

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I remember ignorant folks commenting on HN a while ago that Twitter would not last 3 months after the massive layoffs. Proven wrong over and over again.

It didn't, and they had to implement very severe rate limiting just to keep it from falling over again. Now when I open a tweet without being logged in I can't even see any replies.

Use Nitter, or, you know, just log in. I used a lurker account for like 6 years, nowadays I'm more active as the place is more interesting. Haven't faced almost any technical problems, maybe a persistent 500 error once, 1/1000 times tweets dont load on my own page

Re: Starship’s second flight test

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Post by maxlin »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #137
maxlin wrote: post #109

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I think the reasonable limit is when something sounds like that he argues it is possible "soon" instead of not being thought about. Like, I don't think we'll have AGI or gene-modified catgirls in 10 years but those dont count as an answer to this. Hyperloop was always being to be extremely expensive and Elon's role on it was never but just try to be a catalyst for more innovation towards it. He used terms like "open-…

And FSD doesn't work, at least not in the way it was promised.

Yeah well it will before 10 years and increases the value of even current cars
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