[dead]
Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
131–140 of 275 posts
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#132>Apple agreed to pay up to $25 million in back pay I'm sure that will be devastating for a company with 162 Billion in cash and really make them think twice
I usually scale these to "if we fined a normal person". In this case, a proportional fine to a person is about $3.91.
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#133I have worked at other FAANGs where I see certain immigrant managers only seem to hire other immigrants from the same country...
happens every time where I work. once you get a manager from India, they will rarely hire anyone other than Indians again.
In my case, I wasn't referring to indians, I meant chinese immigrants. My last few managers have been Indian immigrants and they all had diverse teams. I'm sure it does happen though.
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#134Reading into the press release, there is a distinction that probably escapes most native citizens here: they are talking about EB2 visa, not H1B. PERM certification is not the same labor certification done in H1B. PERM is a much more rigorous and demanding process and it costs a lot more money than anything related to H1B. The reason is because it leads to a green card, not just a work permit. Often, it requires an a…
Immigration is brutal and absurd!! One can waste their whole life waiting for a piece of paper!!!
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#13525 million is chump change to Apple. To whatever extent the practice was deviously purposeful, this ruling only emboldens that urge.
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#136I'm sure many US-based tech companies can be blamed for preferring the cheaper option ... I would think our visa process plays no small part here, further the lax compliance on what "special skillset" means in the case of H-* visas. The system allows it, why not take advantage of such.
I find it interesting that Apple hasn't done what many other large US corporations have done and just open offices in a country like India. Then they essentially get rid of any US based employees. No H1B's needed and you're still paying pennies on the dollar for the work.
Brand.
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#137I think this relates to something called batch PERM where they can apply for employment based (EB) green cards for batches of their existing visa employees in similar roles instead of doing recruitment for every single position. Meta got in trouble with the DOJ for the same thing. They advertised for positions in newspapers and only accepted paper applications for PERM positions, unlike their other jobs which are adv…
Legislators can change the rules if they don’t like them and want them changed. They can add the requirement of posting the job online.
> Legislators can change the rules
Let's stop pretending that immigration law can be changed in the current political climate.
It's a remote, theoretical possibility, rather than a practical one.
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
You are writing like we are talking about rocket scientists. PERM applies to both EB2 and EB3 (so in real world anyone making from as low as $50k+/year depending on role qualifies) and most bodyshops apply for green card for all employees - it's just part of business cost. For EB2 PhD is not needed - MS from online paper mill is enough. For EB3, any degree works. It's not tens of thousands in cost - it's below $10k a…
Why should someone making 700k be any different than an 80k employee? Nurses make way less than 700k and should probably be the absolute top of the list.
Because if there was actually a shortage of $80k employees the salary would increase. There is no better way to determine where there’s a shortage than the salary.
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
"You will obey your manager or you will be deported" is very powerful.
That's a factor, but I think the H1-B lock-in is more important. Assuming no mistreatment at all is occurring, an employee who you can be fairly confident won't quit still has extra value to you. The H1-B requiring that the employee either goes back to their original country or lines up another company to take over the visa means that they're much more likely to stick around.
Some H1Bs don't even want to be promoted past senior due to higher risk at staff.
Perfect workers.
Re: Apple discriminated against US citizens in hiring, DOJ says
#140Companies complain the H1B program is needed because the talent doesnt exist. Thats just a lie to get cheaper labor.