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Real vs. fake AirPods with industrial CT

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Re: Real vs. fake AirPods with industrial CT

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Post by askonomm »

mportela wrote: post #51
askonomm wrote: post #43

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I tend to believe that a moral compass is a made-up social invention. Children don't have it. We have to teach them these made up rules, how you should feel when you do something against those rules, etc. We ingrain it deep into you much like how religion is ingrained deep into young people, so that by the time you are an adult that's all you know, and it seems to work well, most people never even second guess these…

As most things in life, it is more complicated than that. While the environment plays a major role in people's moral codes, there seems to be at least some innate development happening too. I'm not a trained psychologist but I've seen scientific evidence on some of these behaviors already showing up in babies as young as a few weeks old, suggesting some of the things we consider to be culturally nurtured can actually…

Oh nice, will give that episode a watch! Thank you. If it's true we also have some built-in moral compass by default, it certainly would improve my worldview from bleak to a bit better.

Re: Real vs. fake AirPods with industrial CT

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Post by arghwhat »

jacquesm wrote: post #130
arghwhat wrote: post #126

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Sure, then don't use any earbuds that contain batteries. We're dealing with tiny batteries in the 100mWh range here, which is less than 1/100th of phones famous for their... combustibility. Ejection of hot gas requires there to be quite a bit of energy present during the failure so that a certain extreme temperature can be reached. Below that, you'll just get a warm earbud. > hot gas and flames flames are hot gas

That's where the brand comes in: they're supposed to have something to lose. And yes, flames are hot gas, but not all hot gas is flames.

> That's where the brand comes in: they're supposed to have something to lose.

Samsung is a huge brand, and had significant issues with battery fires. The bigger the brand, the less they lose because they swim in money and have specialists dedicated to PR damage control.

In fact, brands seem more likely to be the ones that manage to stuff more battery capacity in there, increasing risk and scope of damage.

Re: Real vs. fake AirPods with industrial CT

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Post by jacquesm »

arghwhat wrote: post #132
jacquesm wrote: post #130

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That's where the brand comes in: they're supposed to have something to lose. And yes, flames are hot gas, but not all hot gas is flames.

> That's where the brand comes in: they're supposed to have something to lose. Samsung is a huge brand, and had significant issues with battery fires. The bigger the brand, the less they lose because they swim in money and have specialists dedicated to PR damage control. In fact, brands seem more likely to be the ones that manage to stuff more battery capacity in there, increasing risk and scope of damage.

Yes, huge brands have problems, but they are at least incentivized to solve them, whereas some no-name company has no such incentive because they have absolutely nothing to lose. And suing Samsung for damages means you are at least sure there is something worth suing.

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Post by JCharante »

rcxdude wrote: post #124
JCharante wrote: post #118

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Couldn’t the chip have a HSM that signs requests to authenticate that it’s authentic? Data is already exchanged during the USB charging handshake, this could just be one extra step. The key might leak, which is why you could have a new key everyday that’s signed by an intermediate key and these are internet connected devices (iphones and macbooks and ipads) that could easily download a key block-list for a kilobyte e…

Solving the key-leaking issue is usually done by having a unique per-device key in the HSM, and having an online database that can be checked for authenticity. Then cloning a device requires pulling out an HSM, and if you do sucessfully pull the key off that it becomes suspicious that many different devices have the same key, and it can be blacklisted. This is what google uses (anticompetitively, in my mind) to force…

Oh that seems like a smart way to prevent against key cloning. This seems quiet sound, although we don't live in a perfect world so I doubt we'll see this come until something bad happens like consumers losing faith in online purchases not being fakes or infamous fires resulting from "unlicensed" chargers.

Re: Real vs. fake AirPods with industrial CT

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Post by crashmat »

nunez wrote: post #50

the driver in the fake earbuds is basically like a wired earbud, which is crazy. i was expecting more sophistication there. no wonder they sound like crap!

There are lots of different types of drivers that work differently and they can all sound good or bad. I also don't think all wired earbuds/IEMs use the same kind of driver.

Re: Real vs. fake AirPods with industrial CT

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Post by arghwhat »

jacquesm wrote: post #133
arghwhat wrote: post #132

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> That's where the brand comes in: they're supposed to have something to lose. Samsung is a huge brand, and had significant issues with battery fires. The bigger the brand, the less they lose because they swim in money and have specialists dedicated to PR damage control. In fact, brands seem more likely to be the ones that manage to stuff more battery capacity in there, increasing risk and scope of damage.

Yes, huge brands have problems, but they are at least incentivized to solve them, whereas some no-name company has no such incentive because they have absolutely nothing to lose. And suing Samsung for damages means you are at least sure there is something worth suing.

This is honestly so incredibly backwards:

The big companies cannot lose anything that matters to them, as they're too big and powerful, brushing off even the worst publicity. A small company collapses under pressure, and can be killed by even a viral meme going against them, with the owners suffering personal financial losses as a result.

Suing a big company like Samsung is an almost guaranteed loss with you thoroughly crushed and case precedent set so others have no reason to try. Suing a small company is a much more likely win, with reasonable damages.

Re: Real vs. fake AirPods with industrial CT

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Post by ags1905 »

The way I see it, sooner or later, if the fakes are getting better and better and if differences are becoming so hard to spot, it might be ok to buy fakes. Especially if the difference in price would be greater than that in quality. This way producers of fakes would be encouraged to make them better, becoming a strong competition.
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