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You might need an /s, this is a perfectly plausible comment on HN.
I believe it’s a sincere comment actually.
The fact that you're not 100% sure is what worries me.
Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
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Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is how unions weaken. Divide first, by implying that some class of workers are not worthy of collective bargaining agreements. Then conquer, because unions aren't powerful.
Agree mostly with that, but the issue is that in certain occupations where you have a high transitivity of professionals, monopoly of work, high income, and some sort of power law in terms of outcomes, and asymmetric info that can be on the weak side of the negotiation that can generate high payouts an union does not help so much. For instance, blue-collar professions do not have much of these, so being out of any ag…
> high transitivity of professionals, monopoly of work, high income, and some sort of power law in terms of outcomes, and asymmetric info that can be on the weak side of the negotiation that can generate high payouts
I don't know that I really understand what you mean. Not sure why those, even were they true, would mean people should get fired if they try to unionize. Maintaining high income and "monopoly of work" is one of the points of unions.
Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
And in the EU it is probably why they have free healthcare, high minimum wage, work weeks of 34-38 hrs, welfare, 8 hour work days, overtime after, high proportion of part time workers, and highest productivity per hour in Germany. But yeah, unions, hate what you gotta hate. I personally hate long hours for bullshit pay.
US median income, even disposable income after all the medical/housing costs, is higher than all of the large EU countries (France, Germany, etc). So if anyone has bullshit pay, it’s the Europeans.
This just strikes me as something Americans tell themselves to justify their living situation
Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Until fairly recently (in historical terms) civil servants were not allowed to form unions in the US. Nowadays the civil service is a stronghold of unionisation in the US. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-sector_trade_unions_in_... for background. > Moe points out that Roosevelt, "an ardent supporter of collective bargaining in the private sector, was opposed to it in the public sector."[11] Roosevelt in 1937…
Of course, how typical of FDR to regurgitate a bunch of mumbo jumbo. Good for thee but not for me. In the end the federal government is just like any other employer.
No it’s not. The reason being the public sector Union gets large enough to pick winners. The winner is the person who approves their contract and budget and is likewise incentivized to grow the Union more to secure more votes.
It’s a massive conflict of interest.
Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
And Bandcamp CEO Ethan Diamond, who agreed to the original acquisition. Looking back 2 years ago he was making the usual promises that nothing would happen to it, after all his parachute depended on saying so.
They always say nothing will change. It's the surest indication that there will be changes.
Related blog:
https://ourincrediblejourney.tumblr.com/
Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
#136Seems more like the layoffs were about laying off the union members. Some CEOs perceive unions as cancer that has to be stopped from metastasis. In countries with stronger union protection laws this move would have been illegal
> Some CEOs
The executive class exploit the labour of the working class to benefit themselves. CEOs are in general opposed to collective action among the workers beneath them as any shift of power to the workers necessarily represents a loss of power for the executive.
Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
#137It's illegal.See "Discriminating against employees because of their union activities or sympathies" [1] Enforcement is weak, but it's illegal. [1] https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/di...
They're not employees. These aren't technically layoffs.
The company is being acquired and then they are choosing not to issue a bunch of people contracts.
Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
#138I find it so weird to read these stories on how Americans cope with unionizing. In the Netherlands where I live it is very common and normal to be member of a union. Most branches have a union, IT sector is a "free sector" and does not have a union. My wife works as a teacher and she is member of a union.
>IT sector is a "free sector" and does not have a union. My wife works as a teacher and she is member of a union.
It sounds exactly like America then.
Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
I had a quick look at your site. From the "Terms of Service": > Unless otherwise stated, Samorastnik d.o.o. and/or its licensors own the intellectual property rights for all material on Formaviva. Where's the "otherwise" for people that post music on your platform? I was actually searching for your legal status (which kind of legal persona you are and in which jurisdiction). I couldn't find a thing on your website.
To be honest, according to our potential misbelief about the world and how it works treating the project as a "sacred child", which might be an attitude very unknown to some of you here, it hasn't striked us that someone would go to look and read the Terms of Service, before really looking at the site, its mission and the music. Perhaps you haven't had a chance to arrive there yet, but we will take your comment as a…
It did not occur to you that musicians would look at the terms of their contract?
You plan to, but have not yet, implement unspecified changes, not for musicians but 'law-oriented music lovers'?
I am just about speechless. May your 'sacred child' not come to term.
edit: I can't find any sign that anybody else anywhere is even aware of this… if what you mean is that the project is JUST you, and there won't be anybody else signed to your project, then apologies, carry on :) however, that's super not anything like Bandcamp.
Re: Bandcamp's Entire Union Bargaining Team Was Laid Off
#140It's illegal.See "Discriminating against employees because of their union activities or sympathies" [1] Enforcement is weak, but it's illegal. [1] https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/di...
They're not employees. These aren't technically layoffs. The company is being acquired and then they are choosing not to issue a bunch of people contracts.
Do you perhaps know how this works legally? I'm curious. Did their contracts under Epic say something in the lines of, "on the event of ownership change your contracts are null and void" just like that?