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Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

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Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#131

Post by zigzag312 »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #47
zigzag312 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find Cloudflares pricing webpage incredibly confusing.

What's confusing? This is about R2 > Storage: $0.015 / GB - 10 GB free > Class A operations (mutate state): $4.50 per million - 1 M. free > Class B operations (read state): $0.36 per million - 10 M. free Cloudflare workers: > $0.15/million requests per month ( 100 k. / day included) > Up to 30s wall time per request Min. 5 $ / m. when exceeding the free tier. https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/developer-platform/

On pricing page for R2 it says "Storage: 10 GB / month" is free ... what does it mean per month?

Info that there are "zero egress fees" is only available on R2 product page and not pricing page.

IMO R2 pricing page look like it only displays quick info and that there might be fine print somewhere, but there is no link to more details. It could be that's all there is to it, but somehow design feels off to me. Especially because of the "zero egress fees" info being displayed only on the product page.

Workers product page shows "Maximum number of scripts": 30 free, 100 paid. But on workers pricing page it shows "Up to 100 Worker scripts" for free and "Up to 500 Worker scripts" for paid.

Links to different sections (Pricing, Products...) don't have an option to open in new tab. IMO the whole website is weirdly organized. But maybe it's just me.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#132

Post by Hello71 »

candiddevmike wrote: post #126
solatic wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$5k/month is just Cloudflare's opening bid. In Enterprise sales, you are expected to negotiate for a discount. Common rule of thumb is that Enterprise sales (in general, across vendors) start at ~$2k/month (this is what's necessary to pay for salespeople's salaries) and savvy negotiators will end up close to that figure for bare-bones plans.

In what world does 2k/month pay a sales persons salary? And what enterprise sales person is OK selling something for $2k/month/$24k/year when they carry a quota 20-50x that amount? Enterprise deals start at 100-200k/year, minimum, IME.

> what enterprise sales person is OK selling something for $2k/month/$24k/year when they carry a quota 20-50x that amount

probably someone who spends no more than one man-week on this sale, which doesn't seem that hard if the customer is a small org and only wants to buy one feature? sure, if you expect to spend months negotiating and years implementing, you'll need to charge a lot to make up for the time, but we're not talking about that case here.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#133

Post by devmor »

itake wrote: post #65
solardev wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The geographical blocks are not enforced by Cloudflare as a blanket ban, but are chosen by each account owner (it's a setting you configure). I've worked with a few companies that saw this as a very valuable service (like small domestic companies blocking international traffic, especially from Russia and China, because we had no presence there anyway and that cut down bot traffic by like 95%). Likewise, TOR access is…

It’s so annoying when I travel and I can’t access login to my Utility provider’s website to pay my bill. I understand they don’t want get hacked but believe it or not, customers travel.

That’s like saying it’s annoying that I can’t get my favorite chips at the grocery store because they don’t ship them to my country, so I’m upset at the grocery store for not having them.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#134

Post by NicoJuicy »

zigzag312 wrote: post #131
NicoJuicy wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's confusing? This is about R2 > Storage: $0.015 / GB - 10 GB free > Class A operations (mutate state): $4.50 per million - 1 M. free > Class B operations (read state): $0.36 per million - 10 M. free Cloudflare workers: > $0.15/million requests per month ( 100 k. / day included) > Up to 30s wall time per request Min. 5 $ / m. when exceeding the free tier. https://www.cloudflare.com/plans/developer-platform/

On pricing page for R2 it says "Storage: 10 GB / month" is free ... what does it mean per month? Info that there are "zero egress fees" is only available on R2 product page and not pricing page. IMO R2 pricing page look like it only displays quick info and that there might be fine print somewhere, but there is no link to more details. It could be that's all there is to it, but somehow design feels off to me. Especial…

Concerning R2/storage:

Your are billed every month for your total storage. Every month you don't need to pay for the first 10 GB.

I'm not really sure if eggres has to be mentioned if it's widely known that Cloudflare doesn't bill for eggres. But I get your point.

Concerning Cloudflare workers:

Workers has a free tier and a paid tier at 5€/month.

The free tier has a limit of 100 workers and the paid tier has a limit of 500 workers.

Perhaps just scroll down a bit more on the pricing page of Cloudflare workers. I'm assuming you are checking it on Mobile and missed that.

About but being able to open pricing in a new tab. I noticed the same.

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They also have a minor UX issue that if you want to go to the Web analytics page, the menu goes to the first child and hides. So you'll have to click it open again and click on Web analytics ( again, just an issue on Mobile)

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#135

Post by _lvbh »

FBISurveillance wrote: post #88
linsomniac wrote: post #86

Is Cloudflare requiring you to switch to Enterprise plans if your usage is above some threshold? In a previous discussion on HN about Cloudflare, a good half dozen people replied saying they got calls when their usage increased above some level that they had to switch to an enterprise plan, and AFAIK those start at $5K/month (from a brief talk with sales a few weeks ago). We have tens of TB in AWS that we'd like to m…

Data point: They call you once you hit 300TB egress per month on a _free_ tier and ask to start paying (nothing wrong with that, just a data point).

I’ve reached 500 TB a month at one point but never had any issue. Perhaps an email I ignored but nothing went down.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#136

Post by VanTheBrand »

candiddevmike wrote: post #126
solatic wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$5k/month is just Cloudflare's opening bid. In Enterprise sales, you are expected to negotiate for a discount. Common rule of thumb is that Enterprise sales (in general, across vendors) start at ~$2k/month (this is what's necessary to pay for salespeople's salaries) and savvy negotiators will end up close to that figure for bare-bones plans.

In what world does 2k/month pay a sales persons salary? And what enterprise sales person is OK selling something for $2k/month/$24k/year when they carry a quota 20-50x that amount? Enterprise deals start at 100-200k/year, minimum, IME.

So cloudflare quotes him $5k so that’s 60k. You’re already wrong there.

Then your 24k a year sales person number is assuming that the sales person will sell one license the entire year, an insane assumption.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#137

Post by zigzag312 »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #134
zigzag312 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On pricing page for R2 it says "Storage: 10 GB / month" is free ... what does it mean per month? Info that there are "zero egress fees" is only available on R2 product page and not pricing page. IMO R2 pricing page look like it only displays quick info and that there might be fine print somewhere, but there is no link to more details. It could be that's all there is to it, but somehow design feels off to me. Especial…

Concerning R2/storage: Your are billed every month for your total storage. Every month you don't need to pay for the first 10 GB. I'm not really sure if eggres has to be mentioned if it's widely known that Cloudflare doesn't bill for eggres. But I get your point. Concerning Cloudflare workers: Workers has a free tier and a paid tier at 5€/month. The free tier has a limit of 100 workers and the paid tier has a limit o…

Compare info on workers product page and on workers pricing page, not everything matches.

EDIT: I'm testing on desktop.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#138

Post by sisve »

linsomniac wrote: post #86

Is Cloudflare requiring you to switch to Enterprise plans if your usage is above some threshold? In a previous discussion on HN about Cloudflare, a good half dozen people replied saying they got calls when their usage increased above some level that they had to switch to an enterprise plan, and AFAIK those start at $5K/month (from a brief talk with sales a few weeks ago). We have tens of TB in AWS that we'd like to m…

Yes. They called a company i worked for, we used a lot of data. They gave us a few weeks to move off (what we needed).

Do not think its free for all usage.

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#139

Post by linsomniac »

_lvbh wrote: post #135
FBISurveillance wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data point: They call you once you hit 300TB egress per month on a _free_ tier and ask to start paying (nothing wrong with that, just a data point).

I’ve reached 500 TB a month at one point but never had any issue. Perhaps an email I ignored but nothing went down.

Is that on the free tier or one of the paid tiers like the $60/mo or $200/mo?

Re: Cloudflare Sippy: Incrementally Migrate Data from AWS S3 to Reduce Egress Fees

#140

Post by NicoJuicy »

zigzag312 wrote: post #137
NicoJuicy wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Concerning R2/storage: Your are billed every month for your total storage. Every month you don't need to pay for the first 10 GB. I'm not really sure if eggres has to be mentioned if it's widely known that Cloudflare doesn't bill for eggres. But I get your point. Concerning Cloudflare workers: Workers has a free tier and a paid tier at 5€/month. The free tier has a limit of 100 workers and the paid tier has a limit o…

Compare info on workers product page and on workers pricing page, not everything matches. EDIT: I'm testing on desktop.

Ok. You're right.

Notified them on their Discord of workers, let's see if it gets picked up tomorrow.

Edit: It's going to be escalated and fixed ( Got a response within 44 minutes ... On a Sunday, nice).

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