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Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Post by Tade0 »

slashdev wrote: post #101
thaumasiotes wrote: post #88

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> I don't get easily offended, but I've honestly never seen anything more disgusting in my entire life. The US government runs a prominent advertising campaign on the theme "if you let your baby sleep with you, you are a bad mother".

"if you let your baby sleep with you, you are a bad mother" that leads to a number of accidental suffocations. I think that’s pretty reasonable to educate the public about that.

That's mostly an urban legend and the vast majority of such cases happen when the parent is not sober and essentially knocked out unconscious.

I mean, infants are typically warmer than adults and they wriggle around a lot - it's hard enough to sleep next to them, much less within suffocation distance.

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Post by maccard »

sltkr wrote: post #66
haunter wrote: post #12

> Kids today only care about online free-to-play shooter Fortnite Quite a statement tbh. I thought it’s all Minecraft and Roblox? And even then “only care about” are very strong words

I think all three of those games are already passé for children. The people who grew up on Minecraft and Roblox are now in their twenties. No idea what actual children are playing these days; probably gacha games on their phones or something?

It's Minecraft into Roblox these days, depending on age.

Minecraft now is not the same game as it was 10 years aGO

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Post by dottjt »

bko wrote: post #122
dottjt wrote: post #79

Quite literally last week I was randomly watching The Today Show (mainstream Australian breakfast television) and I couldn't believe what I just saw within the space of 5 minutes. It was the build up to the AFL grand final and there was a presenter on a football field with kids kicking footballs in the background. Anyway, he introduces the segment and it turns out it's a paid promotion for Shell. The show then cuts t…

I would love a petrol voucher. 90% of Australians have a car so it would be useful to pretty much anyone's family. It's also a somewhat inelastic good, meaning if I gave you a petrol voucher you probably wouldn't considerably change your driving habits. Maybe you would use it to go on an extra family trip, which yes gasoline bad, but it's not exactly conspicuous consumption. It would just give you some extra money in…

The petrol voucher isn't the primary issue. It's using children to sell the petrol voucher.

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Post by dieortin »

bboygravity wrote: post #84
tgv wrote: post #7

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How could it be? The company name alone almost guarantees negative reactions. And rightly so, because they keep reneging on their promises. It also has a terrible "fellow youngsters" vibe, one that even I can feel. Both are an invitation to sarcasm. I doubt that the sentiment is universally shared, though. There are still large groups in denial about climate change, even though heat record after heat record is broken…

"even though heat record after heat record is broken." It's not really strange that people don't get that argument though right? Since the heat records are only a few 100 years old at most. If "climate change is real and a problem, because weather heat records" is supposed to be a logical narrative then I can totally understand that people don't follow that logic and just tune out. I trust the science about global wa…

When heat records that stood for a century are now broken every year, it’s a clear indication that something is going on. And it’s clearly a problem. Heat being so high to beat the record is unequivocally a problem.

Anyways, it’s not like those that “tune out” when you point out heat records are being broken every year would listen if you gave them truly scientific arguments.

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Post by osigurdson »

lpapez wrote: post #108
osigurdson wrote: post #103

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I don’t think Gen Z cares about this. They want Bugatti’s and private jets.

Why can't we have both?

Agree. Everyone should have a zero emission Buggati and private jet if they want, that is the future we should be shooting for.

However, what I mean is degrowth, Greta type gen z people seem to be somewhat rare.

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Post by tomp »

ethanbond wrote: post #38
tomp wrote: post #13

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Sure! None of this means fossil fuel propaganda is somehow defensible. It doesn’t mean marketing fossil fuels to children is defensible either.

Fossil fuels are essential for maintaining our civilisation.

Ignoring degrowth / green propaganda is essential for further progress of our civilisation.

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Post by benrutter »

gray_-_wolf wrote: post #112
dottjt wrote: post #79

Quite literally last week I was randomly watching The Today Show (mainstream Australian breakfast television) and I couldn't believe what I just saw within the space of 5 minutes. It was the build up to the AFL grand final and there was a presenter on a football field with kids kicking footballs in the background. Anyway, he introduces the segment and it turns out it's a paid promotion for Shell. The show then cuts t…

> I don't get easily offended, but I've honestly never seen anything more disgusting in my entire life. Try watching some documentaries about Tiananmen Square or Uyghurs. I am curious if this statement will still hold.

I guess the difference is it happening in your country. As much as I think Tiananmen Square was an atrocity, my feelings about it would be immeasurably stronger if it happened in the UK (where I am from).

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Post by mensetmanusman »

tomp wrote: post #8

Fossil fuels caused the greatest progress in history of mankind, and resulted in decimation of disease, famine and poverty. Green movement has spent the last 50 years opposing nuclear power, otherwise we would have decarbonised at least 90% already (like France has).

To be fair, the green movement was subverted by nation states like Russia and they had no idea.

Re: Shell using Fortnite, TikTok, etc. to convince kids fossil fuels are cool

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Post by datavirtue »

ravenstine wrote: post #11
tomp wrote: post #8

Fossil fuels caused the greatest progress in history of mankind, and resulted in decimation of disease, famine and poverty. Green movement has spent the last 50 years opposing nuclear power, otherwise we would have decarbonised at least 90% already (like France has).

Yeah, I'm not a fan of big corporations using propaganda, especially towards children but, that topic aside, people are kidding themselves if they believe their way of life would exist without fossil fuels. Look up the Haber process; your ability to walk down to a Whole Foods in a city of millions and buy groceries to support your vegan diet wouldn't be a thing. The stepping stone to things like nuclear and solar wou…

My money is on insanity winning.
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