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Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by peteforde »

Zuiii wrote: post #45

I'm tired of information being vague, under-specified, or only available under NDA (if you're lucky). I'm not stupid enough to hop on this ride again. Are there any fully open (in terms of schematics, firmware) RISCV rpi-"compatibles" out there? I'd be happy to pay triple the price of this thing for a power-efficient linux-capable sbc that is open.

Genuinely curious: why does their announcement upset you so much?

Most of the tech world announces products, executes a marketing strategy and then releases stock into the market.

You make it sound like someone left you standing at the altar. You didn't know it existed an hour ago. If you were on a long vacation, it might have released before your return. Why get angry?

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by 000ooo000 »

What would someone excited about the improved specs on the 5 be using a Pi for? I have 1-2 of each gen, but to me, they aren't devices I would use if I needed grunt. They're just solid little low power, low heat devices for running odds and ends. Curious what people who are pushing them hard are using them for.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by mlyle »

hgomersall wrote: post #125
mlyle wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The answer is nuanced. It can run workloads somewhat faster and cooler than Pi 4 without active cooling. But it also can't reach close to its peak performance without active cooling.

Does that mean for the same load the power requirements of the pi5 are lower than the pi4?

Yes, that's what they directly claim. Phoronix's measurements seem to (indirectly) bear this out. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37686214

"The combination of a newer core, a higher clock speed, and a smaller process geometry yields a much faster Raspberry Pi, and one that consumes much less power for a given workload."

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by m_t »

revanx_ wrote: post #32

They announce the product but you can't even pre-order it, a typical pi experience.

I can pre order on the Pi Hut right now if that website is available to you.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by m463 »

dragontamer wrote: post #72
Zuiii wrote: post #45

I'm tired of information being vague, under-specified, or only available under NDA (if you're lucky). I'm not stupid enough to hop on this ride again. Are there any fully open (in terms of schematics, firmware) RISCV rpi-"compatibles" out there? I'd be happy to pay triple the price of this thing for a power-efficient linux-capable sbc that is open.

Beaglebone (from Texas Instruments) is more open, but still not as open as you'd probably like. Still, its a better balance than what Rasp. Pi organization has (more documents are available on AM335x, open-hardware for Beaglebone Green and reference designs, full chip specifications and the like). Beaglebone isn't really "more expensive", as much as its just "lower specs at the same price" though. The "most open" are…

I always thought the beaglebone had a better hardware design. The thing I first noticed was the female header pins - why would the pi have pins that can be shorted out?

the beaglebone pru is cool too.

But all of that pales in comparison to the huge mindshare the pi has, which makes all the difference.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by iamtedd »

M4v3R wrote: post #124
iamtedd wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is pretty bad: "Does Raspberry Pi 5 need active cooling? "Raspberry Pi 5 is faster and more powerful than prior-generation Raspberry Pis, and like most general-purpose computers, it will perform best with active cooling. The Raspberry Pi Case for Raspberry Pi 5, with its integrated fan, is one way to provide this." They pose a question themselves, and don't even answer it. Of course something will perform best w…

Are we reading the same blog post? The post that parent posted literally reads: > "Raspberry Pi 5 has been designed to handle typical client workloads, uncased, with no active cooling".

No, I'm reading the posted product page. Where all the important, technical (considering the product) information should be.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by schappim »

botanical wrote: post #130

I've said this before but I feel like the Raspberry Pi Foundation hasn't met its objective of making computers accessible and affordable to everyone (especially children in disadvantaged places). In South Africa, the average child from a disadvantaged background has no chance of buying a Pi. Arduino on the other hand, and them open sourcing the hardware means very cheap but less powerful SBCs from companies in China…

The Foundation is not the same as Raspberry Pi (Trading) Ltd. While the Foundation is hardware-agnostic, they have a particular fondness for the Raspberry Pi.

> Arduino on the other hand, and them open sourcing the hardware means very cheap but less powerful SBCs from companies in China.

You probably don't know that the Raspberry Pi Pico is now also produced in Africa (I only learned last week). It offers better value for money compared to the ATMEGA328P. Additionally, Raspberry Pi is actively supporting the development of hardware manufacturing skills in Africa.

Re: Raspberry Pi 5

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Post by fbdab103 »

isoprophlex wrote: post #6

I'm happy that they're upgrading the pi, but it's not exactly lightweight computing in terms of power (they recommend a 27W PSU) or performance/watt (see: your cell phone) To me the charm of the raspi ecosystem was always in giving you a very low power, "always on, almost no power draw" linux environment. Oh well, I guess there's always the older versions or the zero for that.

At 27W that is a strong pass vs a NUC. If I go with a low power x86 NUC, I can run all software on it, and probably insert a SSD + additional RAM, for probably ~15W.
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