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macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Klonoar »

derefr wrote: post #102
capableweb wrote: post #35

I still don't understand why Apple is so bent on coupling application updates together with OS updates. I just want the new changes to Safari and Notes while I don't care about the other changes, why not have Safari be a normal application downloaded from the App Store, like the rest of us pleebs have to do when publishing apps?

macOS is a BSD; the whole point of BSDs is that the OS and "base system" are vertically integrated (and, usually, living in a monorepo together) so that a dev can one day decide to add a new API to replace one currently used by first-party apps, by just adding the code and then doing a big Search+Replace to fix all first-party apps to use it, all in a single commit.

The user land is from FreeBSD. It is not “a BSD” otherwise but this myth still gets repeated constantly.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by DiabloD3 »

de6u99er wrote: post #111

I hope it can do DisplayPort Multi Stream Transport. Currently I have to connect one screen through TB4, and the other one through HDMI despite the TB4 screen being able to daisy chain through DisplayPort. One screen is a 32 inch UHD 60Hz monitor and the other one is a 24 inch 2560x1440 90Hz screen which is rotated by 90 degrees.

The hardware supports it fine, if you ran any other OS it'd work.

OSX refuses to support it because it eats into their monitor sales that use an alternative TB-based multiplexing protocol (which is only available on Apple devices, which are, well, not the world's best monitors, yet somehow the most expensive per square inch in a lot of cases).

All the various incarnations as far back as Ivy Bridge's TB2 should have working support in Windows and Linux. I have physically tested it on my MBPR from that era, and it worked, and I know of other people's newer OS-swapped Macs also working.

Lack of MST support in OSX has historically blocked 4k early adopters: 4k screens exported themselves as two logical displays due to 4k monitors coming out ahead of HBR2-capable controllers.

As for ARM-era Macs, as far as I know, they licensed a common ASIC block for their DisplayPort transceiver, which is also what AMD, Nvidia, and Intel have done. So, their hardware should still support it fine, but I have no clue if Asahi's work on the GPU driver has gotten MST to work.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by jccalhoun »

royjacobs wrote: post #123

Meanwhile Microsoft dropped their major Windows update today too, enabling me to ungroup taskbar items. Put THAT in your Apple and smoke it!

I switched to the beta of Win11 just so I could start using ungrouped taskbar items when I got tired of waiting for explorerpatcher to be updated. It is still a bit janky but I'm so glad it is there.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by tambourine_man »

lxgr wrote: post #68

> The implementations of the exfat and msdos file systems on macOS have changed; these file systems are now provided by services running in user-space instead of by kernel extensions. This sounds interesting! I really wish there was a native FUSE alternative on macOS; just recently I found myself in a pickle due to not being able to mount an ext4 boot volume on an SD card on my Mac at all. (Passing through to a VM wo…

This and a container story are glaring holes in macOS.

Instead we get widgets on the desktop like it’s 2005 again.

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by twostorytower »

capableweb wrote: post #35

I still don't understand why Apple is so bent on coupling application updates together with OS updates. I just want the new changes to Safari and Notes while I don't care about the other changes, why not have Safari be a normal application downloaded from the App Store, like the rest of us pleebs have to do when publishing apps?

Safari 17 is also available on Monterey (macOS 12) or Ventura (macOS 13).

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by CharlesW »

Insanity wrote: post #119
CharlesW wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That is not remotely as powerful as actual window snapping… I assume because that type of advanced window management is a poor default for a mainstream audience. Happily, there are great options for this. My preference right now is Raycast's Window Management extension. https://www.raycast.com/extensions/window-management

I agree to a certain extent, but I see people regularly using the 4 corner window snapping in Windows. Especially as 1440p and 4k monitors gain adoption.

Fair enough, although I can hear the future complaints about Apple "Sherlocking" Magnet already. :^)

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by Almondsetat »

itsoktocry wrote: post #91
diebeforei485 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Consumer behavior is not what technical people expect it to be. The main reason people update their phone OS is for new emoji. People love this stuff.

> The main reason people update their phone OS is for new emoji I can't avoid the anecdata game, so: what generation are you? I don't know a single person who would update their phone for a new emoji.

The real question is: why are emojis tied to operating system updates in Apple land?

Re: macOS Sonoma is available today

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Post by lostlogin »

rmorey wrote: post #82
whalesalad wrote: post #15

I used to love the in depth reviews of macOS from John Siracusa. They aren’t the same since then, but I still tend to look to Ars for a full review before upgrading. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/09/macos-14-sonoma-the-...

I agree, no one does it like Siracusa did. But I do quite like the MacStories reviews of macOS by John Voorhees: https://www.macstories.net/stories/macos-sonoma-the-macstori...

There is no way anyone familiar with the guy wouldn’t already know this, but his podcast Hypercritical was great and has aged well. His is 1/3rd of ATP and there is content overlap. The main problem I find is that once he has complained about something, I can’t unsee it. It’s heavily Apple focussed and gives a lightweight and often hilarious version of his old reviews.

Episode 96 ‘Windows of Siracusa County’ was amazing.

https://atp.fm/

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