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Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by pavon »

ianburrell wrote: post #40
zoogeny wrote: post #8

I've felt for a long time (maybe even a decade) that Apache is the place OSS goes to retire/die. It is heartbreaking in some ways, they became the stewards for a lot of interesting projects [1]. And the venerable web server was so important to the early web. I am still running Apache vhosts on a few personal websites. It is also a totally unfair characterization. I mean, they still house relevant projects including K…

Apache has lots of active projects. But they are mostly data analysis. At work, we use Airflow to run Spark jobs which uses Hadoop and Hive. Apache also has a lot of dead projects that never got picked up by users. Apache should have a marker for zombie projects so people don't start using them.

They do have the Apache Attic for that purpose, but they typically defer to the project maintainers to make the decision to retire a project, unless there are no longer any maintainers.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by mnau »

monocasa wrote: post #49
yankput wrote: post #30

OpenOffice is dead but who cares? ASF doesn’t really spend any funds on it, it doesn’t eat away any attention, doesn’t really fork the community because nobody really cares about ooo, at least there is something stable there. I don’t know, there are things that gets me from my chair more. Like the weirdness with “libreoffice versions” forced by collabora. (I understand, collabora spends a lot of money developing libr…

One issue is that OpenOffice has had unfixed remote code execution vulnerabilities for years, but won't shepherd it's users to the actually maintained version, while still pretending to be under active maintenance itself in what's a hop, skip, and a jump away from fraud IMO.

Meh, cyber resilience act will kill it. Two or three years and it's gone.

Shipping a product with known security vulnerability is not only forbidden, it's also explicitly something manufacturer will be liable for.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by phkahler »

talent_deprived wrote: post #97

Thanks for posting about Apache, now I remember I wanted to look into switching back to OpenOffice from LibreOffice to compare. OpenOffice I'm hoping didn't ditch Java like the folks at LibreOffice did.

Why do you care if your office suite is requires Java as a build dependency? Oh right, I see you're new here and probably just trolling in favor of this nonsense.

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by mnau »

PeterZaitsev wrote: post #77
cratermoon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The Apache Attic was created in November 2008 to provide process and solutions to make it clear when an Apache project has reached its end of life.” https://attic.apache.org/

Yep. What I mean is what is the process of moving projects there ?

There is literally a link in the menu named "Process" OP posted. https://attic.apache.org/process.html

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by hollerith »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #80
Condition1952 wrote: post #4

A bit off topic but what’s an easy to use FOSS WYSIWYG text processor for Linux? I’ve tried OpenOffice and I became frustrated.

It depends on what features you need. Libre Office is a suite with database, word processor, spreadsheet, Abiword is just a word processor, WordGrinder is terminal based program specifically for first drafts that can export to ODT, HTML, etc., O20.Word is a clone of MS Word 2019, there are more: Calligrawords, Focuswriter, etc. Abiword is probably the best compromise between simplicity, familiarity, and features. It'…

>>WYSIWYG text processor

>Emacs Org-mode

How is org mode WYSIWYG?

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by samus »

PeterZaitsev wrote: post #77
cratermoon wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The Apache Attic was created in November 2008 to provide process and solutions to make it clear when an Apache project has reached its end of life.” https://attic.apache.org/

Yep. What I mean is what is the process of moving projects there ?

Either the Project Management Commitee kicks it off, or the ASF's board does it. The fake activity in the repo is probably supposed to prevent attracting attention from the board:

> When should a project move to the Attic?

> Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the board are all good candidates for the Attic.

Source: https://attic.apache.org

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by [deleted] »

brand wrote: post #21
zoogeny wrote: post #8

I've felt for a long time (maybe even a decade) that Apache is the place OSS goes to retire/die. It is heartbreaking in some ways, they became the stewards for a lot of interesting projects [1]. And the venerable web server was so important to the early web. I am still running Apache vhosts on a few personal websites. It is also a totally unfair characterization. I mean, they still house relevant projects including K…

It seems that “younger generation” programmers underestimate the value of governance in OSS. The recent Terraform kerluffle couldn’t have happened if Terraform was in the ASF, etc.

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Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by no_wizard »

zoogeny wrote: post #8

I've felt for a long time (maybe even a decade) that Apache is the place OSS goes to retire/die. It is heartbreaking in some ways, they became the stewards for a lot of interesting projects [1]. And the venerable web server was so important to the early web. I am still running Apache vhosts on a few personal websites. It is also a totally unfair characterization. I mean, they still house relevant projects including K…

Unless it’s one of their many durable Java projects, or the web server that bares its name. I think some things were (are?) bad fits for the ASF and languished as a result.

If you do a lot of development in the JVM ecosystem though you’ll find there’s a lot of ASF projects that are actively used and maintained

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by smrtinsert »

jroseattle wrote: post #15

Entirely unrelated, but it's just so retro. The trunk branch, the Bugzilla list, the OS/2 support, the user forums, the multi-hour build process, the XHTML 1.0 compliant badge on the https://www.openoffice.org/ homepage ..... Reminds me of the good old days.

Man that is a beautiful web page. Clear linkage, no infinite scroll, shape and indentation based visual flow, 100%!

Re: Apache Open Office as an unmaintained project?

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Post by cpach »

Condition1952 wrote: post #4

A bit off topic but what’s an easy to use FOSS WYSIWYG text processor for Linux? I’ve tried OpenOffice and I became frustrated.

KDE has Calligra: https://calligra.org

TeXmacs is another option: https://www.texmacs.org (NB, despite the name it doesn’t use code from neither Emacs nor TeX)

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