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California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Question: has anyone used tools like DeleteMe and Optery to remove their data from the web? Curious to hear thoughts, opinions, experiences. https://joindeleteme.com/ https://www.optery.com/

These services are great and the best ones will cover removals across more sources than just data brokers. They are in the category of "Authorized Agents".

Take a look at https://www.kanary.com too - yc grant awardee in 2018.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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So every 45 days, the CPPA will tell these companies to delete your data. I wonder how many people realize that that means the CPPA or these companies have to keep a record of some of your PII, so that they can look you up and delete you from the database. Maybe privacy conscious people are fine with the California government keeping their PII?

This seems fine? PII isn't in and of itself sensitive, it's using PII to link individuals to purchases, actions, other data that's problematic. Facebook knowing my name isn't that bad, facebook knowing that some individual bought "Hunky Firefighters Pt 7" isn't that bad. Facebook knowing that I'm the individual that bought "Hunky Firefighters Pt 7" is exactly what I would want to prevent.

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Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Very few things I'm jealous of in blue states, but their online privacy protection is up there. I've pondered why no party has made this a major priority, but the reality is the vast majority of Americans simply don't care. I would love to tell these big tech companies I want all traces of myself removed from their search engines. I understand it gets a bit nuanced with first amendment n such (what about a news artic…

I'm in California - reality is even with this stuff it's hard. I'd say maybe 20% companies you send CCPA request emails to don't know what to do, have broken forms, etc. It does work probably 80% of the time though. I also use this which seems to work, but it's hard to know how effective it is really: https://joindeleteme.com/

The best services will cover removals across more sources than just data brokers. They are in the category of "Authorized Agents".

Take a look at https://www.kanary.com too - yc grant awardee in 2018.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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I've been quite pleased with California and the CCPA thus far. I've submitted a few deletion requests a now, and despite my jadedness all but one went through without a hitch. I reported the one to the California AG and within two weeks the AG had followed up on it and forced the company to delete my data and the company fixed their processes. Color me slightly less jaded. Of course, it's all still a manual process.…

Couldn't disagree more as someone who works in tech and guides companies in complying with laws like this. So expensive for so little real gain. We're spending more on making companies who don't use your data for anything nefarious (basically all companies outside of the advertising industry, if you even consider advertising nefarious) than we're spending on fixing climate change. Or preventing war. What a joke. Edit…

The alternative is that they don’t collect the data. If companies can’t afford to shelter the data, delete it when asked, etc., there is an easy fix! Don’t collect and store it!

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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I've been quite pleased with California and the CCPA thus far. I've submitted a few deletion requests a now, and despite my jadedness all but one went through without a hitch. I reported the one to the California AG and within two weeks the AG had followed up on it and forced the company to delete my data and the company fixed their processes. Color me slightly less jaded. Of course, it's all still a manual process.…

Couldn't disagree more as someone who works in tech and guides companies in complying with laws like this. So expensive for so little real gain. We're spending more on making companies who don't use your data for anything nefarious (basically all companies outside of the advertising industry, if you even consider advertising nefarious) than we're spending on fixing climate change. Or preventing war. What a joke. Edit…

As a California resident who regularly opts out of data collection (and also, incidentally, works in tech), as a consumer I don't really care what you or your clients think. I just want you to comply with the law.

A remarkably high percentage of our legal framework is designed to protect a very small number of people from being exploited by another small number of people. Yes, the costs of implementing these laws are high, but the societal benefits are, in aggregate, huge.

My personal information is my own, just like my house, my car, my investments, my copyrights, and bank accounts. And I expect there to be laws that protect it, allow me to control it, and restrict how others can use it just as there are for my other assets.

If applying these laws is inconvenient, then that speaks volumes as to how overdue these laws were.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This hasn't been my experience. Do you work in a large company? My experience has been that there are heaps and piles of data including (or potentially including, unstructured) personal information. And lots of reasons why complete deletion isn't possible - because certain other information nearby the personal information is necessary for business purposes (like submitting invoices), or because the person requesting…

I work at one of the largest, and have also worked at startups and in between. Having PII littered about in ways that aren’t easily deletable is quite a canary. Companies with these issues are the same companies that end up with data breaches due to their cavalier treatment of user data. Perhaps these companies should be grateful they have a regulatory body ensuring they don’t fall too far behind the basic data stewa…

Not sure why this is being downvoted. It’s precisely these companies that haven’t architected their systems well or prioritized the safety and security of PII by littering it about in various systems and making it “undeletable” in their processes, that need a swift kick in the ass to get it together.

I can’t believe people consider the argument that because companies have poorly managed systems and PII centered databases with no abstraction (and therefore are working right on actual customer record data in their data lakes), that this is somehow a viable argument for why we shouldn’t make deleting data possible.

Companies like this are the next Equifax. Why would you condone their stupidity?

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

#137

Question: has anyone used tools like DeleteMe and Optery to remove their data from the web? Curious to hear thoughts, opinions, experiences. https://joindeleteme.com/ https://www.optery.com/

I work for Kanary (similar to the aforementioned) but have avoided doing manual opt-outs or escalating items to our team in order to get the realistic experience.

It's worked well for me. Outside of info on my own site, there's only one broker that's exposing an old address. That one was newly found or resurfaced within the past month, so it should be gone soon. I moved in December and my new address is not at all findable in correlation with my name, which is awesome.

That said, I think the sibling comment by hunson_abadeer about "95%" sets the right expectation for most. It's a constant whack-a-mole: we're always improving our strategies while data brokers multiply and find new datasets, which they use to resurface previously-removed profiles. Happy to answer any questions.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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If spying on people is the “lifeline of our digital economy,” maybe that needs to change. Seems like a deeply positive step towards allowing people sovereignty over their own identities, albiet their identities in digital forms, which is deeply humanistic and a core of a less evil civil cyberpunk future.

In before "What about all the poor people that need these free services" that commonly come up in these threads.

The internet is a mess with the "It's free, but actually the costs are deeply hidden" architecture we have.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

#139
post #90

So every 45 days, the CPPA will tell these companies to delete your data. I wonder how many people realize that that means the CPPA or these companies have to keep a record of some of your PII, so that they can look you up and delete you from the database. Maybe privacy conscious people are fine with the California government keeping their PII?

It's... the government. They issued half of that information.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Although interesting I always also see this as erase poor people data policy, same as people deleting their reddit comments

In 100 years they'll be investigating the real history of 2023, and most records were deleted, only aggregates survived by CNN and FoxNews, and other billion dollar institucions preserving their point of view

Today you can go 100 back and that John Panini traveled by boat from UK to US on what day and paid 1 cent

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