The hardest part, I think, is making use of that speed. 25 GBps is about the sequential speed of a decent NVMe SSD, and much faster than anything SATA. It is also faster than what a CPU can handle for all but the most basic of processing. Working at GBytes/s speeds require serious performance considerations when coding, often involving working with assembly, SIMD, etc... Things like the TCP stack start being a bottle…
25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
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Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
#132I've got AT&T Fiber's 5 gigabit symmetric service (with a Ubiquiti equipment stack that handles 40 gigabit without issue) and while its been very stable and I win all nerd fights with my speed tests, I've been thinking about dropping back down to 1 gigabit because I don't find much value out of 5. If it was cheaper ($180/mo for 5 gigabit) maybe I'd keep it but Astound/WaveG is offering gigabit symmetric for $50/mo wi…
What Ubiquiti equipment are you using? Doesn’t their router top out at 3.5Gbps?
I connected the 5Gbit to a TP-Link TLSX105 10Gbit switch which has five 10Gbit RJ45 switch ports.
Since my office is on another floor and has more stuff that needs to be hardwired, I have a TP Link TLSX1008 10Gbit switch that has eight 10Gbit switch ports.
I connected the two together and, presto, 5Gbit for everyone.
My Macs have OWC 10Gbit Thunderbolt NICs so they can each get the full 5Gbit.
I tried using a Mikrotik CRS switch/router thing, but dealing with SFP inconsistencies is annoying as hell and it was a very slow router. (You need the higher end CCR routers to get 10Gbit routing, but I just wanted to have all of my devices use the Pi-Hole for DNS, which I could do with DHCP.)
Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
What Ubiquiti equipment are you using? Doesn’t their router top out at 3.5Gbps?
UDM Pro USW-Pro-Aggregation USW-Pro-48-PoE US-XG-6PoE Recently bypassed AT&T's residential gateway by getting a XGS-PON on a SFP+ stick, let me shave off 2ms and gain a couple hundred mbps each way, in addition to removing their crappy gateway.
Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
#134Recently moved up to 3gbps bidirectional and had a hell of a time getting 3gbps even with 10gbps network card directly into the 10gbps port on the ISP-provided modem. In addition to this, there are very few services that will actually feed you data at 3gbps. Steam - ~280MB/s (2.2gbps) Battle.net launcher - ~140MB/s (1.1gbps) 25GB Torrent with 1000+ seeders - ~70MB/s (~560mbps) 2GB iso from github - ~80MB/s (~650mbps)…
Unless you are say say pro competitive gamer (lag) or doing sone fringe science, anything above 1gbs real speed is useless these days. I have it, or slightly below, with pings around 7ms, and... as a regular user with some modest 10tb movies and games collection, 99% of the cases 100mbit is more than fine, and the rest covers rest. No place for anxious ocd types, but low ping and overall reliability of the connection…
And what I see as a use case - is when multiple people in my household would do heavy downloads simultaneously. Also, I hope I will get better-downloading speed (Steam, GoG, etc.) as with modern games, it becomes more critical, and I'll be keener to play and remove a game if I want to put in on pause, compared to keeping 3-4 100+ GB games installed at the same time.
Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
UDM Pro USW-Pro-Aggregation USW-Pro-48-PoE US-XG-6PoE Recently bypassed AT&T's residential gateway by getting a XGS-PON on a SFP+ stick, let me shave off 2ms and gain a couple hundred mbps each way, in addition to removing their crappy gateway.
I thought it wasn't possible to bypass the BGW due to certs?
Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
Regarding the money aspects of the high cost of entry - you can source cheap hardware from secondary markets. I just helped a friend setup a cheap selfhosting/homelab for his home. He bought couple of HP EliteDesk 800 G4 minis for $99/each with i5-8500T CPUs. Each came with 16gb ram. Both units had NVMe drives. So we just had to add couple of 2.5 SSDs 2tb ($50/each) for media storage. Running Ubuntu server with CasaO…
Where'd you find those, ebay? That sounds like a great deal.
Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
#137The hardest part, I think, is making use of that speed. 25 GBps is about the sequential speed of a decent NVMe SSD, and much faster than anything SATA. It is also faster than what a CPU can handle for all but the most basic of processing. Working at GBytes/s speeds require serious performance considerations when coding, often involving working with assembly, SIMD, etc... Things like the TCP stack start being a bottle…
Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
UDM Pro USW-Pro-Aggregation USW-Pro-48-PoE US-XG-6PoE Recently bypassed AT&T's residential gateway by getting a XGS-PON on a SFP+ stick, let me shave off 2ms and gain a couple hundred mbps each way, in addition to removing their crappy gateway.
I thought it wasn't possible to bypass the BGW due to certs?
Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
#139The hardest part, I think, is making use of that speed. 25 GBps is about the sequential speed of a decent NVMe SSD, and much faster than anything SATA. It is also faster than what a CPU can handle for all but the most basic of processing. Working at GBytes/s speeds require serious performance considerations when coding, often involving working with assembly, SIMD, etc... Things like the TCP stack start being a bottle…
I often think about how I could justify the increase in price for myself, but I always come to the conclusion that I just don't need it. And I am a heavy internet user. I download a lot, and I upload a lot (which is why I'm very grateful for my 500 Mbit/s in upload speed). But even with "just" 500 Mbit/s, downloading a 100 GB game takes about 30 minutes. And that's provided I have an endpoint available that can supply the full 500 Mbit/s, which is surprisingly often not the case.
If I happen to need 100 GB of data, I can wait 30 minutes.
Disclaimer: I'm talking about uplink here. Internally, between my PCs, my home server and my NAS, I'm currently looking into getting 10 Gbit/s set up. And yes, I'm sure there are some use cases out there that benefit from 1 Gbit/s uplink. But I, as a power internet user, have decided for myself that I just don't need it, which means that the average Joe definitely doesn't need it.
Still, I think it's great that it's available here and I'm all for getting that expanded further.
Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1
#140I have been on 7Mbps / 1Mbps until 2021. Moved in with GF, she had 100Mbps ADSL which blew my mind. Now we have 2.5Gbps FTTH and I feel blessed. I'm moving to a slightly remote place soon which has 200Mbps FWA, and still it blows my mind. I can't imagine having 25Gbps at home. Insane. Downloads matter up to an extent. What still gives me day 1 shivers is 600Mbps upload after years at 1, and sub-10ms latency.