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Re: AI Crap

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Post by captainbland »

johndoe0815 wrote: post #110
nkrisc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately, I suspect we will get a two-tiered system, where the "middle class" (whether that's disappearing is another question) can afford human content/human support/etc, and the working class are forced to endure poor experiences with AI generated content and so on I’m imagining world where companies like Netflix and Spotify introduce dirt-cheap subscription tiers that are populate with AI generated content,…

«The literature that the Ministry of Truth produced for the proles was of "a lower level," and consisted of "rubbishy newspapers containing almost nothing except sport, crime and astrology, sensational five-cent novelettes [and] films oozing with sex."» [George Orwell, "1984"]

In fairness I don't think we've needed any AI or even state help in achieving this but it stands to convert some recently loss making outlets into profitable entities again.

Re: AI Crap

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Post by selcuka »

RecycledEle wrote: post #70
nkrisc wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Unfortunately, I suspect we will get a two-tiered system, where the "middle class" (whether that's disappearing is another question) can afford human content/human support/etc, and the working class are forced to endure poor experiences with AI generated content and so on I’m imagining world where companies like Netflix and Spotify introduce dirt-cheap subscription tiers that are populate with AI generated content,…

Why would the poor not be able to afford human generated content? Copying human generated context costs basically nothing, so the marginal cost of letting the poor view it is basically nothing.

> Why would the poor not be able to afford human generated content?

Because, why not? It's called segmentation.

> Copying human generated context costs basically nothing, so the marginal cost of letting the poor view it is basically nothing.

How do you explain why more recent movies are more expensive to buy or rent on streaming services, then?

Re: AI Crap

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Post by namaria »

danielbln wrote: post #11
Jack000 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A doctor for every person, a teacher for every child, available any time and for free.

Doctor, therapist, teacher, coach - and with the advent of private, fine-tunable models those can be private, local and in the hand of the people.

I don't know where this idea comes from that we can get more from language models then what we put inside. Thinking we can process any amount of data and get a competent surrogate mind out of it borders on magical thinking.

Re: AI Crap

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Post by turtles3 »

danleshem wrote: post #106
sph wrote: post #4

I am another AI pessimist. Can I please ask the optimists to list the good things LLMs can do for humanity as a whole ? I don't mean banal stuff like Copilot, which is a double-edged sword that might be used against junior developers. I mean world-changing benefits, one step closer to the techno-utopia. Because on paper, the net benefits vs net negatives, for me and other AI pessimists like the author, are not worth…

I think AI has the potential to level up the plain field. Speaking from an entrepreneur's POV, AI gives me an unfair advantage with respect to the large whales. It lets us complete projects (specifically, software projects) 10 times faster and achieve things before I had to raise millions to achieve them. I can't tell if the net negative/positive is + or -, but it's not clear-cut for sure.

Does AI really speed up projects by 10x? In my experience, tools like copilot help with the smaller things, but it's bigger things that really matter in a project.

For example, the right database schema or the right architecture I could easily see saving you 10x the development effort, but these are the things copilot is least able to help you with.

Am I misunderstanding something here? Or could it be that what you are finding is that your experience is helping you build faster, and this is being misattributed to AI?

Re: AI Crap

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Post by spion »

danpalmer wrote: post #7

As with much of this author's content this is a strong opinion that lacks nuance, but I basically agree with the fundamental assertion: that the lasting impact of this AI bubble will be to further centralise power, taking it away from workers. My hope is that a desire for authenticity prevents this from happening – whether that's a strong bias towards human content creators, towards speaking to a human on the phone f…

I'm not entirely sure about the centralization part. We already have models that can run on consumer hardware and are freely available to use for anyone (e.g. code-llama 34B is actually a viable gpt 3-5 replacement, if not slightly better)

Training these is still out of reach, but fine tuning is getting close (LoRA) and running them is almost easy at this point.

The products we've built so far are power-centralized, but augmentative. Where we go from there is up to people, not the nature of the technology. My hope is decentralized and augmentative, but the worst case scenario is indeed centralized and substitutive.

Re: AI Crap

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

This is basically MOLOCH.

We can't stop ourselves from 'crappifying' ourselves.

We are driven by local min/max in society that we can't break free from, until the system breaks.

Moloch https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/07/30/meditations-on-moloch/

Past post on 'enshittification' from Cory Doctorow https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36611245

Re: AI Crap

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Post by gjm11 »

icrbow wrote: post #90

> Flame bait I'll take it. > ChatGPT is the new techno-atheist's substitute for God Not really, no ~~true~~ AInotKillingeveryoneIst says that ChatGPT (or GPT-like) is ASI. Please stop beating this particular strawman.

Your second thing-that-looks-like-a-quotation does not appear to be quoted from anywhere. I don't think you should do that.

(I am not sure whether your last line is your actual opinion or sarcastic, given the "no true ..." phrasing, but for what it's worth I think it's unironically correct: no one with any brain thinks ChatGPT is anything much like a superintelligence. There are people who expect AI to become godlike, for better or for worse, but the most they're saying about the likes of ChatGPT in this connection is "progress sure seems to be pretty fast these days".)

Re: AI Crap

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Post by layer8 »

lijok wrote: post #68
sph wrote: post #4

I am another AI pessimist. Can I please ask the optimists to list the good things LLMs can do for humanity as a whole ? I don't mean banal stuff like Copilot, which is a double-edged sword that might be used against junior developers. I mean world-changing benefits, one step closer to the techno-utopia. Because on paper, the net benefits vs net negatives, for me and other AI pessimists like the author, are not worth…

Accelerate education at unprecedented levels (if we can figure out how to integrate LLMs into the education system). To this day I find myself doing a double take every time I'm about to ask ChatGPT to produce a ludicrous amount of output, because it would simply not be reasonable to ask that of some random person. But with LLMs you can do that, over and over again and it will comply every time. How great is it that…

I don’t know, but anyone who has the motivation to “interrogate it to no end until it clicks for [them]” already didn’t have trouble to become well-educated before. AI can speed things up for those people, but I can imagine much less impact on general education.

Re: AI Crap

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Post by FrustratedMonky »

icrbow wrote: post #90

> Flame bait I'll take it. > ChatGPT is the new techno-atheist's substitute for God Not really, no ~~true~~ AInotKillingeveryoneIst says that ChatGPT (or GPT-like) is ASI. Please stop beating this particular strawman.

Why is this a strawman? Have you seen the Jesus AI on Twitch?

Seriously- Goes way back.

In the movie THX 1138 the population talk to a AI Jesus.

Re: AI Crap

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Post by projektfu »

habosa wrote: post #97

> SEO hacking content farms dominating search results It seems like LLMs are destroying traditional search engines (Google) much faster than they are enabling new ones (Bing + GPT). Are we going to enter a dark age of search where the signal is drowned out by the noise for a few years? SEO blogspam was bad enough when humans had to write it, now it's becoming impossible to avoid.

It would be nice if the search engines could put the main site for something first. They already do it with their own properties, so it's possible. But they've gotten very bad at it with everything else. For example, you want to search about a car, you'll get some blogspam, a few car magazines, a few local shops, and down the line the manufacturer's website. Now, sometimes the manufacturer doesn't answer a question, but it's amazing how much the search engines promote these SEO articles that repeat a question over and over without answering it.
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