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How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by stevofolife »

teddyh wrote: post #113
nsxwolf wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're children, not some neural network you can train. They're all going to learn at different rates, and individualized education in a school setting is simply not possible. You're lucky if there's a breakdown by remedial, regular, and advanced classes. Even within those, kids are going to struggle and need some help outside of class time.

Is this “help” meant only to be available to kids with rich parents, as it is now? Or is the school at fault for not being willing, or able, to teach all kids to an acceptable degree?

I'm surprised to see that you think there is a clear dichotomy between what can only happen at school and at home when it comes to learning.

You'd be even more surprised to learn that learning can happen anywhere, anytime and from anyone in any kind of form.

Helping kids at home with school work as a parent is not only accessible to rich families. You should help your kids when they really need it regardless of your socioeconomic background.

Now if you're talking about personalized/paid tutors outside of school, then yes - it's much more accessible to richer families but there is fundamentally nothing wrong that. What you decide to do with your kids outside of school is your choice.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by hyggetrold »

teddyh wrote: post #115
flippinburgers wrote: post #98

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I found the person who doesn't have kids. Nothing about helping someone better understand something is cheating. Helping your own child? That is just natural. I find what you said revolting.

If parents “help” kids with homework, the teacher will get a misleading view of what the kid has learned and is capable of. Other kids, lacking this “help”, will get worse grades. If you want to argue that the teacher understands that parents are helping their kids with the homework, then: 1. Why aren’t teachers sending study aids, pedagogical material, etc. to the parents , on order to aid in the further education o…

How old are you, which country do you live in, and...do you yourself have children?

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by blogornot »

teddyh wrote: post #113
nsxwolf wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're children, not some neural network you can train. They're all going to learn at different rates, and individualized education in a school setting is simply not possible. You're lucky if there's a breakdown by remedial, regular, and advanced classes. Even within those, kids are going to struggle and need some help outside of class time.

Is this “help” meant only to be available to kids with rich parents, as it is now? Or is the school at fault for not being willing, or able, to teach all kids to an acceptable degree?

What is your obsession with correlating good parenting with generational wealth? You can be poor, have relatively uneducated parents and still be taught by them.

My father died when I was five. My mother never finished high school and worked in a medical factory. She still found an hour to try an teach me and help me learn (even when I was beyond her upper skill limit).

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by kjkjadksj »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #117
deckard1 wrote: post #104

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> People can also live closer to work Not in America. We have a thing called "suburbs" here. That's where people live. For cost, quality of life, school, etc. reasons. Some cities don't even have a center, such as LA which is just sprawl in every direction as far as the eye can see. You may work in Santa Monica and your spouse works in DTLA. At least one of you is going to have an absolute hell of a commute. SV isn't…

>Not in America. Not in Europe as well. You can't afford to uproot your family just because your new employer is on the other side of the city, and yet you're expected to if you want the job. A lot of my friends in Germany commute by car to work just because they don't liver within sensible cycling/public transport distance.

Some cities in europe are running with even worse systems than they had in wwii. Like heres a train station that eventually takes you to the capital city four times a day, and thats it. They ripped out the old tram networks already in many cities if they ever even had them at all. Some of the cities in south europe it seems like on foot is still the fastest way to get around, just as it was when the romans built the place, because of how much narrow one way gridlock the bus or other vehicles sit in.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by thrwawewa77777 »

teddyh wrote: post #115
flippinburgers wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I found the person who doesn't have kids. Nothing about helping someone better understand something is cheating. Helping your own child? That is just natural. I find what you said revolting.

If parents “help” kids with homework, the teacher will get a misleading view of what the kid has learned and is capable of. Other kids, lacking this “help”, will get worse grades. If you want to argue that the teacher understands that parents are helping their kids with the homework, then: 1. Why aren’t teachers sending study aids, pedagogical material, etc. to the parents , on order to aid in the further education o…

You're dying on a very strange hill. Yes, children that have active and engaged parents have an advantage over those who do not. "Cheating" implies that the parents are doing the homework for the child without the child's involvement. Of course, that's not what is happening, and I'm sure you know that.

I'm sure you also know that not all school districts, teachers, and children are equal. Some are funded better than others, some are better trained than others, and some learn in different ways than others. If my child is struggling for one reason or another, I am going to be engaged in several ways. First, I may speak to the school and/or the teacher to understand the details. Second, I may speak to my child about their assignments and offer to explain unclear concepts to them. I won't take a pencil and start solving the problems for them.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by teddyh »

stevofolife wrote: post #131
teddyh wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this “help” meant only to be available to kids with rich parents, as it is now? Or is the school at fault for not being willing, or able, to teach all kids to an acceptable degree?

I'm surprised to see that you think there is a clear dichotomy between what can only happen at school and at home when it comes to learning. You'd be even more surprised to learn that learning can happen anywhere, anytime and from anyone in any kind of form. Helping kids at home with school work as a parent is not only accessible to rich families. You should help your kids when they really need it regardless of your…

A person’s “socioeconomic background” may dictate that they don’t have time to spend many of their vanishlingly rare non-working hours on being a teacher. I'm surprised to see you assume that everyone has this kind of time. I assure you that they do not.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by blogornot »

pluijzer wrote: post #94
liotier wrote: post #86

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It sure would be nice and just if the schools had the means to provide the personalized tutoring most children need to understand. Reality is that the parents do that - and yes, it is an advantage to children with parents able to invest time and skills in their education.

The thing is, what if your parents aren't educated. Because of lots of reasons, my parents didn't even attend high school, they wouldn't have been able to tutor me after I was 10. I really think tutoring should be done in school else it would be very difficult to rise above your previous generations. Also, children should play after school, not do more work IMHO.

So, you're suggesting we limit everyone's potential so a few uneducated/poor families don't feel left behind? That's ridiculous.

Should schools offer extra tutoring and support for kids and families that need it? Sure. Should people limit what they learn at home or out-of-school? No.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by blogornot »

p1esk wrote: post #99
ghaff wrote: post #75

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Because everyone has personalized tutors at school.

I didn't have tutors or parents helping me with homework when I was in school. Also, bad grades were not tolerated in my household, so I had to keep up.

You had a household where bad grades were not tolerated, but no support in achieving better grades? Sounds like a crappy household/parenting. That doesn't mean everyone else should have a crappy household or parenting philosophy because you managed to get through it.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

Transpire7487 wrote: post #39

Get up at 6am. Get kids ready for school. Help my wife with any chores around the house for a bit. Start working. Lift on my lunch break in my home gym. Back to work. Kids come home. Feed them. Help with homework. Do something with them outside weather permitting. Put them to bed, read to/with them. Get lunches ready for tomorrow. Load the dishwasher. Load the laundry. My turn to walk the dog. Be mentally and physica…

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Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by [deleted] »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #60

Just gonna say: my god I hate productivity hacking culture. No, I am not going to optimize in additional professional learning in my off hours. I have a life. And I'm allowed to have idle time where I spend it just being instead of doing. My existence isn't to be maximally productive at all times, and this type of hyper optimization isn't going to make me wealthier or happier. If you're learning for work, learn durin…

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