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90% of “eco-friendly” paper straws contain traces of toxic forever chemicals

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Post by marvin »

aziaziazi wrote: post #52
paulproteus wrote: post #33

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When people wear lipstick and are drinking something, a straw helps keep it on. If society's going to have lipstick and people go out, I think society sorta has to have straws! See e.g. https://stylecaster.com/beauty/makeup/468366/how-to-make-lip...

I can’t help asking weather do we as a society need lipstick ?

Well, you could mandate that women aren't allowed to use particular types of beauty products to compete for more desirable partners, and hope that the follow-on effects of that lead to lower straw usage. But then you're totalitarian and convoluted.

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Post by xp84 »

tuhriel wrote: post #111
irrational wrote: post #55

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The only time I find it useful is when I’m driving while drinking a side I got at the fast food place I stopped at. It’s pretty easy to drive while drinking out of a straw.

Those cups in themselves are a pain. Why cant they just hand out PET bottles like you get everywhere else? (at least in europe) hand out a reusable sport cap aswell and you have a perfect bottle without the need of a) a straw b) a cup c) a lid

A bottle uses way more plastic than our flimsy plastic lids do. Paper cups are mostly paper which comes from trees which are grown just because there’s a need for paper (big carbon win).

It would be a massive step backward to use bottles instead of fountain drinks. Not to mention how much more expensive they are than a fountain drink. And there’s no way you could fill them efficiently from a fountain at the restaurant.

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Post by newaccount74 »

kwhitefoot wrote: post #126
newaccount74 wrote: post #96

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Do we need disposable straws? Some people need straws (kids, disabled people), but in most cases it's better to bring your own reusable straw to fill that need rather than relying on whatever straws they have at the place you are going to. My toddler for example will just chew up most types of straws (especially those disgusting paper straws). Bringing a stainless steel, a glass straw, or one of those cups with integ…

Kids do not need straws.

Probably not. But they like them.

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Post by Aachen »

But so does our drinking water afaik. The real news is that

> PFAS are sometimes used as a water-resistant coating [on "paper" straws]

Surprised Pikachu that paper isn't water resistent (though then why do they melt in your mouth? Are those straws the pure paper variant?). What we need is for people to be able to reuse the things. Return the reusable straw to any McDonald's worldwide for dishwashing and reuse, for example, if we can't get people to bring it from home (the latter is my solution atm). Single use paper straws isn't more greenhouse gas efficient than single use thin plastic straws anyway, that was never going to be the answer even if it alleviates a decimal of a fraction of plastic trash issues

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Post by Forgeties79 »

ThunderSizzle wrote: post #22
c4mpute wrote: post #7

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Stainless steel is expensive, roughly a factor of 10 compared to plain steel. The reason is that Chromium is expensive. You can use low-chromium not-so-stainless steel if you then coat it with transparent paint containing among other things, PFAS, and save a ton of money on the material. Edit: the prototypical stainless steel is Cr/Ni 18/10 with 18% chromium and 10% nickel, aka V2A or 1.4301

Sounds about right. Most grills out here are $200-400, but will rust and fall apart within a couple years in my climate (humidity is insane here). For $2000-4000, you can buy real stainless steel grills that are warrantied to last 15+ years, not 1 year.

Hard to sell people on spending 10x the cost when they can just buy, abuse, replace after 3-5 years what they already have.

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Post by bornfreddy »

galangalalgol wrote: post #15
yetanotherloser wrote: post #6

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That sounds unlikely. It's not how stainless steel works; to bond a coating to the surface of the stainless you have to fight the stainlessness pretty hard.

One of the best indicators for not so stainless stainless steel is a coarse texture to aid in that bonding. Even some fairly expensive brands of vacuum flask exhibit this. Only way to be sure that I know of is a knife.

You mean by scraping it and seeing if it rusts, or something else?

Re: 90% of “eco-friendly” paper straws contain traces of toxic forever chemicals

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Post by kragen »

dddssddd wrote: post #113
kragen wrote: post #99

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from my point of view, it depends on how much of it there is and what effect it has on the environment sand, glass, metal, and rust aren't biodegradable either, but i don't think we should ban mountains because they throw sand out into nature when they erode plastic straws are generally polypropylene, which is photodegradable to relatively nontoxic materials

Didn't realize Mountains were pollution until you pointed it out. Thanks for your meaningful and on discussion contribution!

you seem to have interpreted my comment as saying the opposite of what it did in fact say, presumably for humorous effect

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Post by shyn3 »

Aachen wrote: post #135

But so does our drinking water afaik. The real news is that > PFAS are sometimes used as a water-resistant coating [on "paper" straws] Surprised Pikachu that paper isn't water resistent (though then why do they melt in your mouth? Are those straws the pure paper variant?). What we need is for people to be able to reuse the things. Return the reusable straw to any McDonald's worldwide for dishwashing and reuse, for ex…

The corporate world has decided paper straws are better.
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