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Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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Financial years are named by the calendar year that they end in, so FY24 is the financial year ending in 2024.

I have never seen it referred to as financial year until now, but I guess it makes sense too. Fiscal year is the typically used term.

Looks like it depends on where you are in the world. "Financial year" appears to be the preferred phrase over in the UK.

Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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It s come to the point that people are begging competitors to do something in the space. Who knows, maybe some cheap Chinese asic that can do matrix multiplication ends up eating their lunch. You d think that, at the level of capitalization of tech companies, competition would be cutthroat

You're kinda underselling what exactly Nvidia is doing right now. If any Chinese company could compete with something like the DGX GH200, they would be building GPUs for the PRC, not exporting them.

There's also the problem of industry hostility, anyways. Even if Nvidia was dethroned in the hardware-space, it's unlikely their successor would improve the lock-in situation. It will take an intersectional effort to change things.

Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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Nvidia is dragging the entire gaming industry forward with ray/path tracing and AI-based resolution and frame scaling. Everyone else (I.e., AMD) is following Nvidia’s lead. In what way has Nvidia “forgotten” gamers with the rise of their datacenter business?

The card prices have gone up pretty significantly and availability has been bad for the last few years, they also have been segmenting their product line in ways where some of the lower tier cards are not very compelling vs previous release cycles. I don't know if that's attributable to them "forgetting about gamers" but it's what people are upset about.

So even without crypto, the prices of GPUs are still expensive regardless.

The hoarding isn't going to stop unless there are either efficient alternatives that are competitive on performance and price.

Perhaps that is why I keep seeing gamers crying over GPU prices and unable to find cheap Nvidia cards due to the AI bros hoarding them for their 'deep learning' pet projects.

So they settle with AMD instead.

Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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The good new is that Nvidia's high GPU prices motivate everyone (Intel, AMD, ARM, Google, etc.) to try and tackle the problem by making new chips, making more efficient use of current chips, etc. For all the distributed computing efforts that have existed (prime factorization, SETI@Home, Bitcoin, etc.), I'm surprised there isn't some way for gamers to rent out use of their GPU's when idle. It wouldn't be efficient, b…

> motivate everyone (Intel, AMD, ARM, Google, etc.) to try and tackle the problem by making new chips

Yes, there has been repeated efforts to chip at Nvidia's market share, but there's also a graveyard full of AI accelerator companies that fail to find product market fit due to lack of software toolchain support - and that applies even for older Nvidia GPUs and their compatible toolchains, let alone other players like AMD. This isn't a hit on Nvidia, I'm just saying things move so quickly in the space that even the only-game-in-town is trying to catch up.

Nvidia is also leading by being one or two hardware cycles ahead of their competition. I'm pretty confident AI workloads in enterprise is their next major focus [1]. I think this more than anything else will accelerate AI adoption in enterprise if well executed.

To your point, I think the industry needs to focus more on the toolchains that sit right between the deep learning frameworks (PyTorch, Tensorflow etc.) and hardware vendors (Nvidia, AMD, Intel, ARM, Google TPU etc.) Deep learning compilers will dictate if we allow all AI workloads run on just Nvidia or several other chips.

[1] - https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/solutions/confident...

Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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What's also pretty interesting that they actually didn't sell more chips this quarter - they ... just pretty much doubled the prices (hence the huge margin). This is what having a monopoly looks like ! This is also why companies that manufacture their cards didn't report any uptick in profits. I'm wondering how this play out in some months ? Do they have any pricing power with respect to NVidia ? Or NVidia could just…

Not that it's much better, but wouldn't it be a duopoly considering that AMD is also a big player?

Hopefully Intel continues to improve it's GPU offerings

Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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What's also pretty interesting that they actually didn't sell more chips this quarter - they ... just pretty much doubled the prices (hence the huge margin). This is what having a monopoly looks like ! This is also why companies that manufacture their cards didn't report any uptick in profits. I'm wondering how this play out in some months ? Do they have any pricing power with respect to NVidia ? Or NVidia could just…

There probably isn't another manufacturer they can switch high end stuff to. They recently tried moving at least some of their cards to Samsung but switched back last generation due to yield issues.

You have to distinguish between fabs and AIBs.

Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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post #130

What's also pretty interesting that they actually didn't sell more chips this quarter - they ... just pretty much doubled the prices (hence the huge margin). This is what having a monopoly looks like ! This is also why companies that manufacture their cards didn't report any uptick in profits. I'm wondering how this play out in some months ? Do they have any pricing power with respect to NVidia ? Or NVidia could just…

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> Raising prices means you are a monopoly?

Not sure if you're intentionally choosing to ignore their point, but what they meant is Nvidia can unilaterally choose to raise the prices and customers can't do anything since they're a monopoly. You can't just say well, i'll go to the next shop and buy something for cheaper.

Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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Jensen is one of the largest shareholders. With over 80 million shares that's an over 3 million dollar dividend for him.

Wait 80M shares? He's worth 4B $ then. Not bad.

just wait until it’s $4bn and another $3m!

Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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Intel doesn't seem to be able to execute. It's not just pumping out GPUs - for AI you need drivers, and the equivilent of CUDA and all the various libraries built on CUDA like cuDNN. They do have OneAPI but it hasn't caught on like CUDA in that space. It's kind of too bad since OneAPI is open and CUDA is not.

I can really see Intel figuring this out. A lot of people on HN talking about Intel as an also-ran just like they spoke about AMD before Zen. Raptor Lake is at 7nm and incredibly competitive there (~2700 single core on geekbench, taken with a pinch of salt). They’re still planning on being on 1.8nm/18A within 2 years, while at the same time ramping up their GPU efforts (albeit using TSMC for 4nm). Nvidia is very much…

The problem with Intel is:

1. They don't pay - Nvidia/Google/Apple easily pays 1.5-2x Intel before appreciattion.

2. They're cheap/beaurcratic. The office sucks, your laptop sucks.

3. They suck at software. https://pharr.org/matt/blog/2018/04/18/ispc-origins

4. They can't develop/retain talent. Half the ML-HW/FW teams at AMD/Google/Nvidia/Apple are ex-Intel.

Re: Nvidia announces financial results for second quarter fiscal 2024

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post #136

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There probably isn't another manufacturer they can switch high end stuff to. They recently tried moving at least some of their cards to Samsung but switched back last generation due to yield issues.

You have to distinguish between fabs and AIBs.

If they treat their AIBs for their enterprise stuff anything like they do in the consumer space, they don't really have anything to worry about there (aside from the rest of them giving up on dealing with Nvidia's BS, I guess).
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