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ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by tayo42 »

keyle wrote: post #67
Someone1234 wrote: post #2

Although let's see if it is sustainable. I pay for ChatGPT Plus but most people aren't, and from what I've read they're losing money like crazy. We may wind up seeing this as the technical high point before the various competitors cut back on expensive hardware/energy usage for the free tier, and the quality of the responses takes a dive. This might sound a bit conspiratorial so apologies for that but back when the c…

I'm actually worried of the inevitable enshitification of Open AI. Right now, GPT 4 is great and I use it every day. I rely less and less on Google and save a ton of time. Google has gone downhill hard for a few years, thanks to all these silly blog engines like medium, substack and the like. I'm really worried and would like to 'freeze' GPT 4 as is, at least with the data up to Sep 2021, and for them to not change o…

Maybe I'm just falling for the marketing, but isn't a big part of open ai that it's not profit drive?

All companies collapse but it seems structured to not be in the short term

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by menro2 »

consumer451 wrote: post #55
lakomen wrote: post #29

I'd like to have LawGPT, where it reads all laws of a certain country, and I can ask it things like, "what are my options when the neighbors tree crosses over into my property?"

> I'd like to have LawGPT I tried ChatGPT 4 for a specific TX county's laws. This was after I had spent hours doing traditional search. ChatGPT got everything correct, and even gave me some more direction.

We are working on LawGPT. Today's foundational models like GPT 4 have some Laws, but not all. Sadly some US States still require the purchase of printed copies and others are blocked by TOS.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by Kerb_ »

ChatGTP wrote: post #115
BlueTemplar wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are pre-trained by billions of years of evolution.

To use a fishing rod and drive a car ?

To have the social and physical capabilities to create and pass on the concepts of "fishing rod" and "car" as well as how to use them. We did start from scratch, after all. But I think the learning of simple, complex, abstract, and nuanced concepts throughout a person's development as their brain grows is more than enough to compare to an artificial general intelligence without taking into account development of a species, considering we're the ones building the chips the AI is running on.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by Gigachad »

puchatek wrote: post #123
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behi…

Reminds me a bit of how everybody was cool with pirating software and media back in the day. To help the bad conscience there was a handy narrative of how the record companies were making a killing off of everybody so it was cool not to pay. But in reality it was just technically feasible. That's what enabled the behavior, not a few million Robin hoods coming together to do the right thing. Similarly I feel creators…

It’s too late. The datasets that exist already are already more than enough to train future models.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by thomasahle »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #121
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behi…

Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures. Supposing that you buy into the theory that you can, copyright was created to further the arts and sciences; it’s in the US constitution. The point isn’t to control your work — it’s to live in a richer society. And it’s not even clear that training a model counts as infringement. Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than…

> Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than reproducing the entire book.

Language models can often reproduce an entire book. And image models like midjourney can reproduce lots of copyrighted art more or less flawlessly: https://ceoln.wordpress.com/2022/12/16/some-light-infringeme...

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by sillysaurusx »

xigoi wrote: post #130
sillysaurusx wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures. Supposing that you buy into the theory that you can, copyright was created to further the arts and sciences; it’s in the US constitution. The point isn’t to control your work — it’s to live in a richer society. And it’s not even clear that training a model counts as infringement. Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than…

If OpenAI believes that copyright is wrong, why are they keeping their software proprietary?

I agree with you, for what it’s worth. I don’t think it would be a disadvantage for them to open source GPT-4. They’re the ones with the hardware.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by [deleted] »

andrewprock wrote: post #82
Kerb_ wrote: post #41

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Remember that people have decades of generalized training before becoming able to perform tasks with very simple instructions. I would consider years of pre-training to be acceptable if the model is usable and trainable quickly in practice as well

It only takes like 5 minutes to teach someone to play Fluxx, not decades.

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Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by thordenmark »

Gigachad wrote: post #106
keyle wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually worried of the inevitable enshitification of Open AI. Right now, GPT 4 is great and I use it every day. I rely less and less on Google and save a ton of time. Google has gone downhill hard for a few years, thanks to all these silly blog engines like medium, substack and the like. I'm really worried and would like to 'freeze' GPT 4 as is, at least with the data up to Sep 2021, and for them to not change o…

I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

That's my profession you're talking about. Many of my colleagues are freaked out about losing their jobs, they've spent decades honing their craft. I heard one art director describe the future of professional artists as "visual janitors" who will spend their time generating images and using their skills cleaning up the weird mistakes the AI makes.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by midasz »

puchatek wrote: post #123
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behi…

Reminds me a bit of how everybody was cool with pirating software and media back in the day. To help the bad conscience there was a handy narrative of how the record companies were making a killing off of everybody so it was cool not to pay. But in reality it was just technically feasible. That's what enabled the behavior, not a few million Robin hoods coming together to do the right thing. Similarly I feel creators…

I wouldn't equate it with a person pirating a DVD to watch in his own home. It's more like someone pirating a DVD, burning a bunch of copies of it and selling those. Big difference.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by occamrazor »

atemerev wrote: post #12
danpalmer wrote: post #5

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This doesn't match what I've seen of usage of the term AGI since ~2010. I think we've "solved" chatbots more than was imagined at the time, and that involves being able to produce readable and arguably useful answers about a range of topics, but we haven't got game playing sorted yet, we don't have proactive models, and there's nothing in these models for movement or robotics (which until recently has been considered…

Games are solved since AlphaZero. Just set up an adversarial model, and voila. Any game, any conditions. Proactive models are simple — just generate the “internal monologue” periodically from the system prompt, mix it with the compressed state, then feed it to another model (the outputs are used as state updates). I think this is how human agency works as well. Movement is a different story (LLMs do not work here, ex…

There is still no computer program (with or without “AI”) able to play bridge decently.
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