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Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by grogenaut »

dylan604 wrote: post #42
grogenaut wrote: post #36

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https://www.google.com/maps/@29.9717687,31.1322225,620m/data... I knew they were outside of cairo, which means close to the river generally. and was just going to walk the nile but "sphinx cafe" showed up when I got close. You can seem the ok from sattelite view no the top right half. I was just going to look for giza but I found them before I saw giza pop up. I didn't search I scrolled from north america.

it's not they are small and hiding from you either. i would have suggested similar to your approach to follow the river. as you approach, you will see them.

I wonder if just street viewing down the river would lead you to them

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by paulmd »

eastbound wrote: post #115
hinkley wrote: post #73

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Gorbachev is quoted as saying that Chernobyl was the beginning of the end of the USSR. Nobody likes to talk about that stuff. Ideologues most of all.

I’m always impressed that the RMBK was 3.5GW… just for the core that exploded. There are 3 other cores functioning. France’s reactors (other technology) are 0.910-1.3 Gigawatts (x60 cores)[1]. Chernobyl must have been the powerhouse for half of the country. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_power_stations_in_Fr...

It wasn’t 3.5GW for the reactor but the plant as a whole. They had four reactors, 1x800MW and 3x1000MW.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plan...

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by c7DJTLrn »

kstenerud wrote: post #91
cedws wrote: post #39

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The story of Russians digging holes and getting radiation poisoning was propaganda, just like Ghost of Kiev. The levels of radiation in the soil are not high enough to cause radiation poisoning, except for very few hotspots that they'd have to go looking for. It's mostly alpha radiation left which is dangerous only if radioactive particles are inhaled. I'm more inclined to believe the IAEA. Also, >They concluded that…

> The story of Russians digging holes and getting radiation poisoning was propaganda You're going to have to source that argument, because there's an awful lot of evidence of Russian-dug trenches there.

To clarify, yes I believe they dug trenches (there's pictures), no I do not believe they suffered from acute radiation syndrome.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by mepian »

rewmie wrote: post #122
mepian wrote: post #75

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Sure, you can always cherry-pick someone from a remote village so this can't be literally "everybody", but it's absurd to claim that the majority of the population doesn't know about Chernobyl. It was a very hot topic in Russia for a long time, and in the 90s the government lost control over the information space of the country so the information about Chernobyl was spreading freely. The younger generations can learn…

> Sure, you can always cherry-pick someone from a remote village (...) The bulk of Russia's invasion force is comprised by people from remote villages. You're talking about people who risked their lives, and many died, to pillage washing machines and indoor toilets. Do you really think the literacy level and access to information from the average Russian grunt on the floor accommodates this info? Many didn't even kne…

Fair enough, it’s just really mind-boggling to me that someone doesn’t know. I’m not a villager, but I’m not a blue-blooded Muscovite either. Perhaps my experience of Russia is still too elevated compared to that of an army’s grunt.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by mepian »

tguvot wrote: post #88
mepian wrote: post #86

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Listen, I left Russia last year. I lived there my whole life, and I saw how the government was handling this topic with my own eyes. Putin likes to twist history to his whims, but the topic of Chernobyl specifically wasn't as affected by this as you seem to think. The worst thing I've seen is one conspiracy-loving TV channel pushing theories about the disaster getting caused by aliens or the Americans, but no one tri…

i never said that topic of Chernobyl was affected in media. and i never said that majority do not know about it. i said that a bunch of russian solders occupying Chernobyl had no idea where they are and that based on Zolkin interviews history is taught in russia not in optimal way (probably at least outside of major population centers, which are not exactly russia anyhow)

Alright, I misunderstood you then, sorry.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by mepian »

rewmie wrote: post #112
mepian wrote: post #30

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That hysteria wasn't caused by the ignorance of Russia's population. Everyone knew about the disaster for a long time. I know this because I lived there until recently.

> Everyone knew about the disaster for a long time. I think you're falling into the mistake everyone is like you, and has access to the info you had access to. In the meantime, there is plenty of documented evidence that Russian soldiers who were ordered to move into Ukraine were totally oblivious to the area they were occupying. There are even comical reports from the start of the war on how Ukraine thwarted the adv…

You’re right. I just want to highlight that any ignorance of Chernobyl is more likely a general failure of Russia’s education than anything ideologically driven.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by vGPU »

timeon wrote: post #108
vGPU wrote: post #98

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>Greanpeace I can’t say I’m inclined to trust a source with the unofficial motto of “It does not matter what is true, it only matters what people believe is true.” Not to mention how they consider doing things like paying people to torture animals on film for propaganda campaigns acceptable, and multiple incidents of them ramming ships.

Is this true?

http://www.noahide.com/infiltration/greenpeace.htm

There are plenty of sources online. There are several videos on YouTube of them ramming ships.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by zimpenfish »

vGPU wrote: post #137
timeon wrote: post #108

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Is this true?

http://www.noahide.com/infiltration/greenpeace.htm There are plenty of sources online. There are several videos on YouTube of them ramming ships.

I'd probably not use that one, myself, given the other links on that site do somewhat tend to detract from its credibility.

"So it is entirely possible that Obama is already planning to declare a national emergency and suspend the elections this year [2012]."

"With such forces at his disposal, you can be sure Obama is now actively planning a new Holocaust against the Jews in America as well as in Israel."

I admit I don't watch the news as assiduously as I used to but I'm pretty sure I'd have heard about that happening.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by kstenerud »

c7DJTLrn wrote: post #133
kstenerud wrote: post #91

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> The story of Russians digging holes and getting radiation poisoning was propaganda You're going to have to source that argument, because there's an awful lot of evidence of Russian-dug trenches there.

To clarify, yes I believe they dug trenches (there's pictures), no I do not believe they suffered from acute radiation syndrome.

Nobody knows if they did or not, since the Russians are not talking. There was only speculation as to how much poisoning the troops likely would have suffered (which would depend on the actual soil composition where they dug). The dosage was not zero and most certainly not safe.

That's a far cry from "OMG PROPAGANDA!"

The main point, of course, is how reckless and stupid it was.

Re: Radiation Spikes at Chernobyl

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Post by pxmpxm »

TheLoafOfBread wrote: post #111
chokolad wrote: post #40

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> So, no - they didn't know. That's 100% plausible. No, it's not plausible. Stop making shit up.

In Czechoslovakia right after the WW2 the Colorado Potato Beetle has shown up and started decimating potatoes. Communist government renamed it on American Beetle and started claiming that USAF are dropping it from planes to punish us for choosing socialism. So rural Russians knowing nothing about Chernobyl is completely in realm of possibilities.

I've never heard of that in my life - got a link to back that up?
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