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Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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brookst wrote: post #130
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #15

Hard pass. I don't want Google, or even a trustworthy neutral party, to decide my view of the world. (Compromised as it may be already.) We're all unique and unpredictable. In a given article, a random sentence or point considered throwaway by most people and algorithms could turn out to be meaningful to me. I've been trained not to even trust the basic facts they pull of out content like movie showtimes or whatever.…

I feel like this is knee-jerk over-generalization. Having Google summarize a too-long recipe (a problem they created, by the way) into just the simple ingredients and instructions is NOT "deciding your view of the world".

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Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by rvnx »

GreedClarifies wrote: post #107
tsunamifury wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s summarizing. That is by its very nature a reduction of an article to certain bias elements. It’s not rocket science or some evil magic. Jeeze you’d think HackerNews never used anything that wasn’t a home brew open source libertarian approved product if you believed the comments here.

"It’s not rocket science or some evil magic" It sure is. If you had told people in 2019 that a computer program could summarize large topics and write cogent output you would have been placed in the asylum.

In 2013 it was already done by kids: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yahoo-acquires-summly-app-150...

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by everdrive »

andsoitis wrote: post #95
everdrive wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I pick things from the bottom of the list a lot. I really hate when engineers try to guess what I want. I already know what I want. These “automatic” products are terrible.

What do you think is a good list length? One can assume search results are practically infinite, so you have to make a decision of where to stop. What would your heuristic / algorithm be for determining the termination point?

A list of every video where my terms show up somewhere in the title or description.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by paganel »

hamasho wrote: post #41
jraph wrote: post #8

Privacy aside if it's done server side, I think this crosses another dangerous line. With this, Google controls how content you read is summarized, they could introduce biases, intentionally or not, and I'm not sure we should trust such an actor for this.

It may be summarized to what they want, but it can be what I want too. All YouTube recommendations are already what I want to see. Videos from creators who share my world view, criticizing what I hate, and praising what I've already liked. If this Chrome's new feature is also personalized in this manner, I can read articles against my view and still get only what I want. My world view will become increasingly polariz…

With the new Shorts feature the YT has gotten so bad that it isn’t even funny anymore. I wonder if anyone there is using their product.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by strikelaserclaw »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #15

Hard pass. I don't want Google, or even a trustworthy neutral party, to decide my view of the world. (Compromised as it may be already.) We're all unique and unpredictable. In a given article, a random sentence or point considered throwaway by most people and algorithms could turn out to be meaningful to me. I've been trained not to even trust the basic facts they pull of out content like movie showtimes or whatever.…

Most articles we read (even on HN) have very little useful information compared to lines of sentences, maybe this can act as a summary and we can decide if we want to read the whole article.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by ChildOfChaos »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #15

Hard pass. I don't want Google, or even a trustworthy neutral party, to decide my view of the world. (Compromised as it may be already.) We're all unique and unpredictable. In a given article, a random sentence or point considered throwaway by most people and algorithms could turn out to be meaningful to me. I've been trained not to even trust the basic facts they pull of out content like movie showtimes or whatever.…

It's just important to decide what you use it on.

I find these tools useful for articles these days because everything is clickbait and full of bloat and nonsense. Even if it's just to do a first past to figure out if I want to read the full article.

But I do understand your point, I feel this is very important ' a random sentence or point considered throwaway by most people and algorithms could turn out to be meaningful to me.', i've had this issue with book summary services, i've read a book and took completely different meanings or found insight in certain paragraphs that were completely glossed over in book summarys that just changed it into generic sounding nonsense. We need to connect the dots ourselfs and to do that, I believe is not to have someone elses summary of the situation.

However, for everything else a tool like this is useful, there is too much noise in the world, we need tools to filter it and help us understand what is relevant and what is not.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by GenericPoster »

Good feature, I might actually start using chrome again if recipes are summarized how I expect them to. Generally speaking, there's already a problem with people only reading the titles and basing their opinion of off that. Hopefully this will encourage people to read more, since it will be significantly shorter than the actual article. This won't affect the people who care about the topic.

I'm not really worried about bias, since from my experience, summarization software will inherit the bias of the creator. Sure, it's behind generative AI, which can introduce more bias but it's not like the original article is hidden. No one is forced to use it.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by hightrix »

throwaw12 wrote: post #17
jraph wrote: post #8

Privacy aside if it's done server side, I think this crosses another dangerous line. With this, Google controls how content you read is summarized, they could introduce biases, intentionally or not, and I'm not sure we should trust such an actor for this.

don't worry, it gets shutdown in 2 years

They will shove ads in it eventually and then it’ll become core to search.
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