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Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by 0xDEF »

whimsicalism wrote: post #118

I feel like this whole neo-cold war against China & Russia was never put up for a vote. Where can I vote against it? Please, let's all just get rich together. Governments democratize over time - the UK wasn't a democracy when it started out but over 1000 years of governance transitioned into being one. I suspect it will be much faster nowadays, but in the meantime - please no war.

What has your propagandistic comment to do with a well-researched article that looks at the leaked source code of a Russian search engine?

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by GaggiX »

morkalork wrote: post #107
dessant wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The classic reverse image search results from Google will not be around for much longer, I've been getting reports about my browser extension no longer working with Google Images in some regions. Yandex Images also possibly going away or becoming heavily censored is also an issue for journalists and researchers, since it is the best performing publicly available reverse image search engine.

What, you don't like the reverse image product search? You want actual... images? Not thumbnails of stuff you can buy from rando websites? How anti-consumer of you!

The problem is that many times I get no results. Absolutely nothing.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by 0xDEF »

undefinedland wrote: post #92
VincentEvans wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the difference is having heritage vs having lived for a large portion of life and still having ties and relatives there? Also, please elaborate. How does does having come from Poland figure into this conversation? You yearn for Soviet rule and hate what capitalism stands for? Or sympathize with Russian justifications for their aggression against a neighbor state and their own people? I can only speculate lack…

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>Today, Russia is essentially also arguing for pre-emptive war but the reasoning - putting American missiles and forces in Ukraine - is a hell of a lot plausible.

The Russian government invaded Ukraine because they consider it a fake nation that was illegitimately carved out of Russia. The "neo-Nazi NATO" excuses were just lies they made up for naive Westerners.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by RugnirViking »

azangru wrote: post #12

Another example of political language from the article, in addition to what was described in a sibling comment: > Do we want, at a time when Russia is considering the UK as an enemy, to be providing all our personal details to a server in Moscow? Not "at a time when the UK considers Russia as an enemy". There is something of a Russell conjugation here.

in this case it just makes sense to write it that way though? leading you to consider, primarily, that the russians might try to do something with the information, rather than an abstract "we think they're probably bad".

Like sure its leading you but imo its leading you to consider the actual issue rather than unrelated questions

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by afavour »

someone321 wrote: post #119
afavour wrote: post #83

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> Yes, there is nothing the Russians can do with my data that my government hasn't done. I understand anti-government sentiment but whenever I see a statement like this it makes me devalue anything that comes after it. You really think there is nothing a foreign government might do with your personal data that your government hasn't already done? You really feel like there's a similar level of accountability at stake…

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> To me, the fact is that before pointing to what wrongs others do, we should fix our own thing.

What's the phrase... letting perfect be the enemy of good? We'll never be perfect. So by that logic we won't ever be able to criticise anyone, even if their record is considerably worse than our own.

> The US collects so much data about everyone, but people seem to find that ok. On the other hand, Russia collecting data is outrageous. This is such a weird thinking tbh.

The US government is accountable to US citizens. There are regular elections where they can vote out a government that acts against their wishes. They have no such power over Russia, an aggressive power currently waging war against a US ally. Equivalence is the weird thinking, IMO.

(EDIT: I should add all of this is from the perspective of a US citizen given the OP said “my own [UK] government”. If, in this scenario, you’re neither a US or Russian citizen, yes, I can see why you’d equivocate)

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by justrealist »

mistrial9 wrote: post #124
justrealist wrote: post #110

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> In the west, we call that "privatization", and it happens pretty frequently That's not even slightly true? It's headline news and massively controversial every time this happens.

it is deeply true, and everyone actually involved would know that

Can you name off the top of your head the last 3 significant privatizations?

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by 0xDEF »

avgcorrection wrote: post #129
throw-ru-938 wrote: post #17

Context: Yandex is in the news right now because a couple of days ago its cofounder and former CEO Arkady Volozh was caught trying to hide his Russian past [0], and today he finally issued a public statement condemning the war [1], almost 1.5 years after the full-scale invasion began. [0] https://kz.kursiv.media/en/2023-08-07/co-founder-of-yandex-e... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-yandex-volozh..…

Kazakhstani (born in Kazakh SSR, Soviet Union) ethnic Russian stops mentioning “Russia” in his biography during a period of increased Russophobia. More news at eight?

>increased Russophobia

Where in the world is there any "Russophobia"? The far-right in the West and around the world loves Russia and Russians.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by mcpackieh »

sgt wrote: post #30
kkfdkerpoe wrote: post #3

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Yes, lots of giants for a country with GDP lower than that of Italy. Perhaps they refer to the bellies of the oligarchy that owns the companies.

I think the frequent comparisons of GDP leads the West to heavily underestimate Russia. While GDP may be lower than Italy and per capita is weak, a nation like Russia can probably accomplish an order of magnitude more large scale projects, and also sustain a certain economy climate for much much longer than we think. So don't underestimate Russia, even though we'd like to think they're soon running out of steam to co…

On the other side of the comparison, I think Italy is a lot more capable than many people give them credit for, so the comparison is not quite as damning as it may first seem.

On just one axis of consideration, Italy has a blue water navy with power projection capabilities roughly similar to Russia and India, surpassed only by the United States, the UK and France.

I think Italy also ranks higher than most anglosphere laypeople would estimate in terms of GDP and scientific output, although this is hard to pin down since I'm talking about layperson perception. Basically, I think Italy is more relevant and capable than people generally give it credit for.

Re: The Yandex leak: How a Russian search giant uses consumer data

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Post by VancouverMan »

sgt wrote: post #30
kkfdkerpoe wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, lots of giants for a country with GDP lower than that of Italy. Perhaps they refer to the bellies of the oligarchy that owns the companies.

I think the frequent comparisons of GDP leads the West to heavily underestimate Russia. While GDP may be lower than Italy and per capita is weak, a nation like Russia can probably accomplish an order of magnitude more large scale projects, and also sustain a certain economy climate for much much longer than we think. So don't underestimate Russia, even though we'd like to think they're soon running out of steam to co…

GDP seems like a very questionable, and likely misleading, measure to me, even for Western nations.

For example, Canada's inflation-adjusted per-capita GDP has supposedly increased over time, yet for many Canadians, the standard of living is now noticeably lower than it was (or would have likely been) two or three decades ago.

In terms of production, Canadian businesses and governments generally don't seem to have become more capable and productive, and actually seem to struggle now with the sorts of fundamental work that they managed to pull off in the past. Many common services and products are noticeably worse now than in the past, in terms of cost, quality, reliability, delivery time, and so forth.

GDP is a metric that I can't trust.

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