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Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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All they have to do is stop tracking us and only use login cookies if i log in. Simple enough. Any other cookies are not "table stakes".

Website analytics can be incredibly useful for designers and developers; giving those up would be a huge hit to a lot of companies, large and small, so it's understandable that they're not going to do so. Random example from more than a decade ago: I worked at an online retailer, and we did a nice redesign of our cart page. Looked great, much more readable, but we started losing sales. Did people hate the redesign? I…

> Website analytics can be incredibly useful for designers and developers; giving those up would be a huge hit to a lot of companies, large and small, so it's understandable that they're not going to do so.

Everyone thinks that but in practice most folks don't have a clue what they're looking at and just use the numbers as a crutch for whatever opinion they already had.

Of course, this problem isn't just a web analytics one.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Disclaimer: I actually click through the "do not consent" procedure, which tells a lot about what I'm about to say. When the EU regulation came up, I was shocked that a single article was being shared with 100+ "partners". I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad. At least now I get the choice to opt-out. Sidenote: Google got fined for that pop-up because it should have a "do not accept" option [1]. Compa…

No, they are putting them there because it’s easier and they don’t want to be fined.

When the first cookie law came into action companies sprung up claiming to provide a solution. Rather than actually doing anything useful they'd give you a JavaScript snippet to just dump onto your page and then they'd deal with everything. They'd scan your site and compile a list of cookies and their purpose and present that to your users. It sort of worked, expect the service would frequently fail to recognize certain cookies or part of you site might be behind a login. But it was something you could easily implement and push the responsibility to a third-party for a small fee.

Then came GDPR and these retarded cookie banner companies decided to offer that as a service as well... Basically the same thing right? Well for many of the sites it is, because their goal is find a way to do nothing, or as little as possible, they don't want things to change and here's someone offering them just that.

I hate that it when people are blaming the EU for the nightmare that is consent popups. They aren't required, unless you doing stupid shit. Companies love presenting this as: The EU is making us do this. NO, you want to track people online and the EU is simply asking for you to declare that.

It's truly amazing that companies don't see to problem telling people that they care about their privacy, yet presents them with a list of 600 "partners" whom which they share our data.

So yes, it's laziness, these sites don't want to chance the way they deal with advertisers, because that would be slightly harder. It's also partly incompetence, there's an entire generation of ad people who don't know the first thing about advertising, they know Google Adwords and Facebook Ads.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Disclaimer: I actually click through the "do not consent" procedure, which tells a lot about what I'm about to say. When the EU regulation came up, I was shocked that a single article was being shared with 100+ "partners". I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad. At least now I get the choice to opt-out. Sidenote: Google got fined for that pop-up because it should have a "do not accept" option [1]. Compa…

I mostly just close the tab unless it's something I really want to interact with, and even then I choose the option with minimal exposure like you do.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Disclaimer: I actually click through the "do not consent" procedure, which tells a lot about what I'm about to say. When the EU regulation came up, I was shocked that a single article was being shared with 100+ "partners". I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad. At least now I get the choice to opt-out. Sidenote: Google got fined for that pop-up because it should have a "do not accept" option [1]. Compa…

Exactly, I always click the 'do not accept/consent' or 'manage my preferences' button. There are a surprising number of sites that use dark patterns. Whoever made the initial video must be a shill for the tracking companies because they didn't click on the 'do not accept' options, otherwise people would see how pervasive and thoroughly ridiculous the trackers are.

I believe not having opt out be as easy as opt in is breaking that law and they could be sued

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Disclaimer: I actually click through the "do not consent" procedure, which tells a lot about what I'm about to say. When the EU regulation came up, I was shocked that a single article was being shared with 100+ "partners". I knew it was bad, but I didn't know it was that bad. At least now I get the choice to opt-out. Sidenote: Google got fined for that pop-up because it should have a "do not accept" option [1]. Compa…

> Do you want to blame the EU for not anticipating that companies would act maliciously? Yes, I think we should clearly hold legislators accountable for unintended consequences. And I think it would be crazy not to. If the law didn't have the desired effect, and makes everyone miserable, we should fix or amend it.

So far the law had desired effect, and the companies making it hard to opt out are actually breaking said law, just nobody yet bothered to take them to court for that.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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post #86
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All they have to do is stop tracking us and only use login cookies if i log in. Simple enough. Any other cookies are not "table stakes".

Website analytics can be incredibly useful for designers and developers; giving those up would be a huge hit to a lot of companies, large and small, so it's understandable that they're not going to do so. Random example from more than a decade ago: I worked at an online retailer, and we did a nice redesign of our cart page. Looked great, much more readable, but we started losing sales. Did people hate the redesign? I…

> Website analytics can be incredibly useful for designers and developers; giving those up would be a huge hit to a lot of companies, large and small, so it's understandable that they're not going to do so.

And at small small cost of privacy violations and spying on users.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Is there anyone who actually consents for any other reason than the consent button being either to click than more options? If the "reject all" button isn't as easy to click as the "accept all" button, then the popup is illegal. The big players have all been forced into compliance, but there's a long tail of publishers who are chancing their arm on the assumption that the regulators don't have the resources to deal…

> If the "reject all" button isn't as easy to click as the "accept all" button, then the popup is illegal You should watch the video in the linked article. The options are accept all and "customize". I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that accepting is one click and rejecting is more than one

That's still illegal, but the site operators are betting that no one cares enough to complain and report them.

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Lately, I've been having developers and designers on my team install each of the three major browsers without plugins and visit five of the "top 10 media sites" ( https://www.similarweb.com/top-websites/news-and-media/ ), plus twitter, facebook and linkedin for a total of two hours so they see what the web looks like for regular users. It doesn't take long for people to realize just how terrible 25 years of accumulat…

I'm quite literally shocked whenever I have to use a relative's computer for a bit.

I traveled and I wonder why someone would use Youtube's free tier, There's like an ads every 3 minutes, plus the ones when the video starts (Youtube don't show ads in my country). My Twitch usage has gone down a lot because of 7-8 ads in a row. I would subscribe to the few creators I follow if not for the friction when I want to quickly check another creator's page (give me like at least 15 minutes without ads).

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

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Instead of hating the EU, how about directing your hate towards the bad players of the web? Cookie banners are not the fault of the EU, but the fault of companies disrespecting privacy rights and pushing data collection, ads and all possible shady growth hacking strategies towards the user. I am glad that a government body actually made this possible and made visible how horrible the internet is.

This gets repeated a lot. However, even one of the pages on the official site of the EU has a cookie banner: https://commission.europa.eu/index_en Is the EU itself acting maliciously in putting up that cookie banner?

No because it is one click, not whatever dark patterns are other sites doing

Re: Sigh, this is what browsing the web in the EU looks like nowadays (2021)

#140
post #86
post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All they have to do is stop tracking us and only use login cookies if i log in. Simple enough. Any other cookies are not "table stakes".

Website analytics can be incredibly useful for designers and developers; giving those up would be a huge hit to a lot of companies, large and small, so it's understandable that they're not going to do so. Random example from more than a decade ago: I worked at an online retailer, and we did a nice redesign of our cart page. Looked great, much more readable, but we started losing sales. Did people hate the redesign? I…

> Our marketing guy looked at our analytics and saw that there was a massive drop in checkouts from users whose displays were set to 1024x768. He changed his resolution and, sure enough, the 'Checkout' button was something like four pixels below the bottom of the screen, if you were using Internet Explorer or Chrome and you had your browser maximized.

Hint: buy the cheapest crappiest laptop you can find. Test your site on it.

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