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Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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I'm not a scientist so I'm curious why this is interesting.

It's not scientifically interesting, the glacial-interglacial cycles are pretty well established. I'm guessing they're trying to insinuate some climate change minimalism argument.

It’s interesting to know how far back in time the ice will allow them to analyze once they get to the base.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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post #109

I love humans. They somehow decided to start drilling, and not give up & get funding for 7 years. We are a crazy but exciting bunch of organisms.

> We are a crazy but exciting bunch of organisms. I read this as "crazy but extinct bunch of organisms"

Also read extinct. Ha. Would be cool to know how to detect and exploit these speed reading induced recognition errors to write things that force people to slow down or go extinct :)

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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Interesting: "Towards the base, the ice is more than 120,000 years old and dates back to the last interglacial period, a time when the atmospheric temperature above Greenland was 5°C warmer than today."

Iirc, the CO2 concentration now as been pumped up higher than it was then, which is in part what is worrying because temps might then potentially shoot even higher. Bottom line: we need large scale carbon capture quickly because even if we reach net zero CO2 will take millenia to drop back to the level it was pre-industrial revolution. Edit: I wouldn't focus on "pre-industrial levels" specifically, the point is that…

Why do we need to get back to the levels pre-industrial revolution?

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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I’ve always wondered: what do they do if the shaft snaps somewhere in the middle?

I'm not totally sure how systems work for drilling this deep, but typically ice core setups attach the coring apparatus to the surface via a cable that is spooled by a winch. The cable itself ends up being the heaviest part of the system.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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I’m not aware of any data that supports humans 120k years ago having a significant impact on the earths climate. I think even our ability to start fire at will is conclusively known to be only ~50,000 years ago.

"Claims for the earliest definitive evidence of control of fire by a member of Homo range from 1.7 to 2.0 million years ago " https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_of_fire_by_early_hum... You don't need to be able to start a fire, when you keep the fire burning all the time. And you can do that, once you control the fire and figure out the difference between dry and wet wood. Also humans are the dominating species…

People had fire in those times but it's extremely unlikely they produced enough CO2 to have an anthropogenic impact on the climate leading to large-scale temperature changes.

I'm not sure what your perspective on this situation is but I think the case for modern anthropogenic climate change with deleterious effects is based on a wide range of different evidence, and a careful accumulation of facts and analysis. Simply pointing out that humans had fire 2Mya doesn't change the general conclusion about today.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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post #57

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I only clicked on the article because I thought it was the age of the samples too.

If something has a negative age, does that mean it is from the future?

I can't tell if you're joking, but negative numbers are used to represent years BC.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iirc, the CO2 concentration now as been pumped up higher than it was then, which is in part what is worrying because temps might then potentially shoot even higher. Bottom line: we need large scale carbon capture quickly because even if we reach net zero CO2 will take millenia to drop back to the level it was pre-industrial revolution. Edit: I wouldn't focus on "pre-industrial levels" specifically, the point is that…

Why do we need to get back to the levels pre-industrial revolution?

The point is that net zero is most likely not going to stop warming with 400+ppm CO2 in the atmosphere. CO2 concentration most likely has to drop but naturally it does so very slowly. Arguably at this point we already need cooling because 40+C every summer in half of Europe (for instance) is getting annoying...

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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post #26

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What does half-life mean in the context of DNA? One base pair corrupted / unrecoverable? Half of them?

half life generally means that within the time frame 50% of the material will have been destroyed or changed. so it would mean that half of the dna might still be available after 1M years

To be meaningful, half-life needs a Markov assumption, i.e., that the past and future are conditionally independent given the present. Or, more simply, at each instant, forget the past and for predicting the future use only the present.

Some interesting work in the many contexts where half-life works would be to say what the Markov property says about the mechanism of the decay or whatever are trying to predict in the context.

Re: Ice core scientists in East Greenland reach bedrock

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post #109

I love humans. They somehow decided to start drilling, and not give up & get funding for 7 years. We are a crazy but exciting bunch of organisms.

That’s because we are social animals. We tend to do things not only for ourselves, but also to contribute to the society we live in.
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