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Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

sisve wrote: post #122
bovermyer wrote: post #4

I'm curious about the refresh rate. From the video, it appears to be fast for an e-ink display. However, it still seems to be slower than what I'd be comfortable watching a video with. The other thing I'm curious about is the manufacturer. They seem to have a black-and-white version already available. Has anyone ever tried it?

Yes, i have the gray-scale version of this. Its really really good. You do not want to watch a movie on it.but if you need to see a 30 sec movie to understand something it ok. The biggest problem with the greyscale is how much color has to say on everything. Its so hard to see terminal errors etc. Yes you can customize a lot. And I do have use custom vs code themes and terminal themes. Buti need to switch each day wh…

> darkmode

You need a contrast enhancing browser, or a shortcut for colour inversion (e.g. `xcalib -a -i` )

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by nerdjon »

I don't think I could ever see seriously using this as a general computing monitor.

But I have been long wanting to replace a couple of screens I have mounted to the wall with e-ink variants (hooked up to raspberry pi's) but the existing solutions were.... not great.

If the price is right for this, I might actually be into this.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by agentultra »

layer8 wrote: post #124
rockostrich wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> IMO the real benefit of these screens is in consuming long-form text content. Hard disagree. E-readers already do this and are 2 orders of magnitude cheaper. Long-form text content barely need 1 Hz refresh rates. The real benefit of these screens is being able to use a computer without the associated eye-strain. Most jobs that involve looking at a screen all-day don't really require high refresh rate screens. The m…

> The real benefit of these screens is being able to use a computer without the associated eye-strain. Depends on your eyes. For my aging eyes e-ink is much too low-contrast. A high-DPI OLED screen on the other hand…

I think it does depend a lot because my aging eyes, even high-DPI OLED screens tire me right out. E-Ink, on the other hand, requires much less strain as my eyes only have to take in the ambient light and not be staring directly into a high-nit source.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by Groxx »

nashashmi wrote: post #14
bovermyer wrote: post #4

I'm curious about the refresh rate. From the video, it appears to be fast for an e-ink display. However, it still seems to be slower than what I'd be comfortable watching a video with. The other thing I'm curious about is the manufacturer. They seem to have a black-and-white version already available. Has anyone ever tried it?

I cannot understand the fascination behind seeing e-ink displays play video. The tech is a "display once, use forever" kind of display. Otoh, video needs bright vivid screens, gaming level quality. Quite the opposite of what a "display once use forever" tech would be suitable for.

While I agree it's a poor fit and pretty much just a crappy but flashy tech demo... the display is what it is, it doesn't have mandated suitable uses.

Other reflective display tech exists. For the most part they suffer from screen-dooring, extremely bad visibility angles, much worse contrast in bright light, or complete unavailability in the size or resolution that you want.

Eink may not have many options, but it is an option, in a market with few or zero competitors depending on what you want (largely because it's niche), and refresh rate is often a thing you can bend on. I would love to see more, but many of the companies I've seen trying to do this in the past no longer exist, or they're selling even more niche ruggedized laptops and nothing else (and they still look much worse than eink, though they have color and refresh rate). It seems to be slowly ramping back up though, so hopefully within the next few years we'll see more.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

nerdjon wrote: post #132

I don't think I could ever see seriously using this as a general computing monitor. But I have been long wanting to replace a couple of screens I have mounted to the wall with e-ink variants (hooked up to raspberry pi's) but the existing solutions were.... not great. If the price is right for this, I might actually be into this.

> e-ink variants (hooked up to raspberry pi's) ... If the price is right for this, I might actually be into this

At that point, you could just get the display and controller from E-Ink. The Kaleido of this monitor does not appear for me in the E-Ink shop, but there is the 13.3'' full AcEP on sale, 1600x1200, as-if 60,000 colours through pigments, for ~800$, «Hands-on experiment with Raspberry Pi #3».

https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/AtelierWith13.3'...

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by swyx »

blizdiddy wrote: post #48

My unsolicited advice: turn on a lamp in your workspace, and turn down your monitor brightness. An app like twinkle tray makes adjusting screen brightness as easy as adjusting speaker volume. Your eyes really don't care about emissive or reflected light.

thanks for the prompt, i didnt realize i wanted a screen brightness ap. twinkle tray seems to be windows only so i googled and found quickshade for mac.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

jdthedisciple wrote: post #136

The contrast looks terrible. What am I missing?

It is a reflective display: you have to put it in proper ambient light. Like paper, it needs external light - but it can be much less contrasted than paper, so you will need in the direction of a "glorious day lightflood".

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by Groxx »

mdp2021 wrote: post #98
5- wrote: post #95

speaking of passive screens on indiegogo, this launched recently: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/world-s-first-color-rlcd-... in theory this should be much more interesting than e-ink (lcd refresh rates, similar to sharp mip displays in pebble/garmin/playdate, frontlight), but not so sure about the android tablet chassis.

Unfortunately, with these technologies, it is the effect revealed by direct experience to determine whether "you would use it or not". Cpr. Mirasol, etc.

Mirasol is such a neat technology. As far as I've seen though it's kinda awful at off-angle color/contrast/etc. I'm not sure if that's a product maturity thing or a fundamental tech limitation... but I kinda suspect tech limitation.
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