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Re: Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

dffdsa432 wrote: post #111
x86x87 wrote: post #25

Coulda woulda shoulda They fucked around and now they are in the finding out phase. There is no way the EU will allow them to continue with their jackasseries. If you want back in apply like a new state and accept the shit conditions new members have to accept. You're not special. You're a shadow of a former great empire and your economy is collapsing. Immigrants? Those fools are actually keeping you afloat while you…

It's quite naive that you don't think the EU is harmed significantly by Britain leaving. The EU would take Britain back in a heartbeat.

France will never agree to the special rules the UK negotiated when they were part of the EU.

We also do not particularly keep the UK (politically speaking) close to our hearts. The Calais situation, pour contact for submarines passed to the UK (and US), etc.

Pour gouvernement is seen as weak when it comes to conflicts with the UK so politicians will need to take that into account as well.

Re: Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

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Post by dang »

bbg2401 wrote: post #57
x86x87 wrote: post #25

Coulda woulda shoulda They fucked around and now they are in the finding out phase. There is no way the EU will allow them to continue with their jackasseries. If you want back in apply like a new state and accept the shit conditions new members have to accept. You're not special. You're a shadow of a former great empire and your economy is collapsing. Immigrants? Those fools are actually keeping you afloat while you…

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Against British people? Have you never seen the Monty Python links I've posted?

This is an example of how it always feels like the community and/or mods are against you*. It's striking to what lengths this principle can go. (Not to pick on you personally—this mechanism seems to be hard-wired in all of us.)

I promise you that neither the mods nor the community hate British people. Personally I love them/you, and I'm confident most of the community here ranges is neutral or better, and nowhere near hate. No doubt some nasty comments have appeared here, but that's because everything appears here. It's a large public internet forum.

* https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Edit: it unfortunately looks like you've been breaking the site guidelines repeatedly; examples:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36367395 (June 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34965339 (Feb 2023)

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34802872 (Feb 2023)

We have to ban accounts that post like that. I don't want to ban you, so please don't post like that!

Re: Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

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Post by disgruntledphd2 »

mpweiher wrote: post #107
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's called the Euro ;) I'm sortof not really joking but the German export driven economy would have been much harder to maintain with the DM.

LOL. The Euro was a concession by Germany in order to get France to agree to unification.

Sure, but it ended up benefiting Germany more than anyone else.

One of life's little ironies I suppose.

Re: Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

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Post by gumballindie »

Mlller wrote: post #110
gumballindie wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things are smooth indeed. Without real opposition, Germany can further drag the continent down the stagnation and economic strangulation through austerity only it benefits from paths as it pleases.

I have heard the opposite: that the United Kingdom was, as a rule, an important ally for the economic policies favoured by Germany and others. E.g., “So far the following EU countries have announced that they oppose Eurobonds: Germany, United Kingdom, Finland and the Netherlands.” on p. 186 in Schäfer 2012 = vol. 9.2 in EJCE = https://www.researchgate.net/publication/255726169_The_Sover... Further more, the UK was an…

Germany has pushed Britain out of the EU by allowing more than one million people in, at a time when the UK had a sensitive debate around the very issue that Germany created along with Russia. Russia pushed, Germany pulled. After that Germany has threatened countries with sanctions if they didnt agree to taking in the very people it welcomed against the wishes of member states. It knew exactly what it did, and it did it to push Britain out of the Union because it found it to its advantage.

Re: Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

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Post by mpweiher »

scott_w wrote: post #130
mpweiher wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I did and that’s not how polls work. Since that is exactly how polls work, not sure how you could have read it. > Those numbers are much closer than 60/40, for a start Only because I lumped all of the "Don't Knows" into "Leave". Which is unrealistic, but a lower bound for the vote for remain that is above what you claim. So your claim isn't just not right, it isn't even wrong. If instead I lump the "Don't Knows" in…

There’s a number of things missing: - This poll doesn’t do constituency breakdown - How many of those people would actually vote? - Do they know what rejoining entails? - There is no campaign on rejoin - In such a campaign, the Brexit media will absolutely spell out how hard rejoining actually is - Only 17% of people actually think this is important - The EU still wouldn’t re-admit the UK because nearly half the fuck…

I've already addressed all your points previously.

Re: Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #43

I was a remainer (ie anti-Brexit). This article shows what seems to be becoming a general growing consensus that "some people (prominent campaigners and politicians) lied to us for their own benefit" - and there is a more subtle second consensus of "and then forced a hard brexit for their own career gains". This is a nice consensus because it has evil people to blame, and removes the blame from 50% of the voting publ…

Edit: to the above. I am being overly negative - like "half the population are fools !". It's not that. Democracy works well (ish) with political parties that are more or less well intentioned - they may have their favourite in groups and be more or less corrupt but as long as one party is not trying to sink the ship, then "the people" do not have to pay much close attention.

The difference in policies between most major parties in any country is small and the difference across counties is much smaller than you would think.

So if you vote on "traditional party lines" you more or less get forward progess.

But if one party actually wants to harm the democracy / state then you get Hitler elected (ok very special case he already had a 3 million person country wide organisational apparatus) but you get my point - if politicians are actually intent on sinking the boat they can slip through if we are not careful.

That seems to have been the 2016 case - europe, Brexit, Trump. Wolves appeared in sheep's clothing and people just picked between sheep.

it's not clear how to fix the problem other than to accept that sometimes we will self harm, and we will need to pay the price, not of electing someone who will promise to fix it for us, but to do the hard work as citizens and become educated, informed, engaged.

I think something like citizenship tests for not immigrants but natives might be an interesting start. USA has an odd head start in you learn to swear allegiance to a flag and a reply bloc every day as kids. That makes some kind of diffeeebce.

Re: Brexit Could Be Reversed - Here's How

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Post by scott_w »

mpweiher wrote: post #135
scott_w wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a number of things missing: - This poll doesn’t do constituency breakdown - How many of those people would actually vote? - Do they know what rejoining entails? - There is no campaign on rejoin - In such a campaign, the Brexit media will absolutely spell out how hard rejoining actually is - Only 17% of people actually think this is important - The EU still wouldn’t re-admit the UK because nearly half the fuck…

I've already addressed all your points previously.

No, you just said "but polls!" and ignored everything else.
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