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Yes but that’s a trivial claim.
I think it's the kind of obvious thing you still need to remind yourself of.
That mindfulness-based programs show promise in reducing distress isn't changed by the fact that the people who can simply remove their stress sources from their life. Go ahead and do that. Now let's talk about everyone else.
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> Injuries that you're entirely unconscious of can cause significant levels of stress which are measurable. The unconscious is the mind too. Body and mind are interdependent, without mind the body would be dead.
> The unconscious is the mind too. No, I think this is meaningless. What you're refering to is the brain. Positing a subcoscious mind adds nothing to the explanatory model since everything this supposed entity does is already done by the brain and pretty well understood at that. Occam's razor. You're stuck in old Cartesian metaphysics (dualism and parallelism) which has been superceded by better scientific undetstand…
Dualism is proposing that there is a clear division between mind and body, which is your original claim that I'm debating.
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> The unconscious is the mind too. No, I think this is meaningless. What you're refering to is the brain. Positing a subcoscious mind adds nothing to the explanatory model since everything this supposed entity does is already done by the brain and pretty well understood at that. Occam's razor. You're stuck in old Cartesian metaphysics (dualism and parallelism) which has been superceded by better scientific undetstand…
The mind is more than the brain. Dualism is proposing that there is a clear division between mind and body, which is your original claim that I'm debating.
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Breathing practices objectively have an effect on our body and nobody can counter this. Buddhist ideology on the other hand is up to debate and everyone is free to try it or believe it. Maybe in your experience meditation is enhanced by believing all that stuff, but that is your prerogative. I can do mindfulness and go to a psychologist instead of doing meditation and going to a temple because maybe that oriental stu…
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Am I the only one who thinks meditation with an app is super hilariously weird? Its hard to explain without falling for too much cynism, but... the topic is mindfulness, not "have my phone tell me what to do next". If you are unable to mediate without the help of an app, start here, instead of pretending you are meditating just because some app tells you every step along the way.
> Am I the only one who thinks meditation with an app is super hilariously weird? Yes. > have my phone tell me what to do next" The phone is a tool. It doesn't tell me what to do. > you are unable to mediate without the help of an app, start here, instead of pretending you are meditating just because some app tells you every step along the way. Mindfulness and Buddhism is traditionally practiced in a teacher-student…
None of which is possible for an App to do, because an App isn’t aware.
This outsourcing of basic human awareness and community to tech is quite concerning and actively harmful to our mental health IMO.
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> You are surrounded by people The idea of corporate worship is that the assembly is united in their purpose, there is an order observed, and the people develop discipline from this orderly worship. Also, people are not machines and that's disgusting that you draw this analogy. People may distract, even in that situation. Many have their minds elsewhere, some don't want to be there, someone may even be actively disru…
My smartphone does exactly what I tell it to do during my meditation time. You keep arguing a strawman using religious language.
Frankly, why not just leave it out of the room? Oh, except for the app I guess.
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There are the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama and there is the religion Buddhism created by his followers. He said: This is my truth, see for yourself if it is true for you too. This is the reason i take him seriously, in contrast to the monotheistic myths that all claim to have the only truth. > Understanding emptiness The other points are valid to me, this one belongs in the realm of metaphysics for me. Buddha said…
Few monotheistic groups claim to have the only truth. E.g. Catholicism highlights facets of truth present in many other spiritual traditions.
"I am the Word, the truth and the light. Nobody get's to the father (ie god) then through me." Ascribed to Jesus, whos' life story got written down 40 years later.
> facets of truth
Since Immanuel Kant we "know", that we can never get to the truth, since our senses are easily fooled. The basis of rational science for me. We can only say what is least likely to be wrong.
[Addendum] Socrates knew he knew nothing.
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There are the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama and there is the religion Buddhism created by his followers. He said: This is my truth, see for yourself if it is true for you too. This is the reason i take him seriously, in contrast to the monotheistic myths that all claim to have the only truth. > Understanding emptiness The other points are valid to me, this one belongs in the realm of metaphysics for me. Buddha said…
> Understanding emptiness > The other points are valid to me, this one belongs in the realm of metaphysics for me. Isn't this something both the Buddha and modern science agree on? Matter if comprised of mostly empty space. It's physics, no meta.
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There are the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama and there is the religion Buddhism created by his followers. He said: This is my truth, see for yourself if it is true for you too. This is the reason i take him seriously, in contrast to the monotheistic myths that all claim to have the only truth. > Understanding emptiness The other points are valid to me, this one belongs in the realm of metaphysics for me. Buddha said…
The metaphysical view of Buddhism is definitely different from Western view.I think both lack empirical evidence, because both are very hard to prove. But also emptiness as a meditative state (Samatha) can be experienced. Whether or not you end up believing it's the essence of reality, you can experience it as the essence of your experience through meditation.
Buddhism is for me the religion people worshipping him created.
Now i get it! Thank you for explaining it that way!
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The mind is more than the brain. Dualism is proposing that there is a clear division between mind and body, which is your original claim that I'm debating.
I have no idea how you misunderstood "stress is actually physiological" as some kind of claim about dualism.
You're making a division between mind and body, stating that stress can occur without the mind.